South Slavic & neighbours gedmatch results - vol.2

[Castor]

This how ethnic makeup of Bosnia will look if Bosnian "Croats" go back to their old indentity. ( MAP FROM 1991 )

Blue - Serbs

Green - Muslims

[Ion Basescul]

Can someone tell me how to differ Bulgarian from Bulgarian Turk genetically?

I do not know much about my Bulgarian ancestor, but he was from area where 50-75% population were Turks

You can see Bulgarian Turks on G25.

Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi,17.75,17.11,15.37,21.97,16.46,0.9,0.12,4.61,5.19,0,0,0,0.53
Turk_Kardzhali-East,21.29,16.80,14.74,14.36,18.50,2.29,0.23,1.80,5.40,2.55,1.10,0.66,0.29
Turk_Kardzhali-Mountaineer,15.65,18.37,15.33,17.42,17.18,3.97,0,3.47,7.75,0.47,0,0.4,0	
Turk_Kardzhali-South-Plain,14.6,18.22,12.61,16.66,21.62,4.36,0.63,2.34,8.17,0.34,0,0.42,0.04
Turk_Kardzhali-West,16.43,21.01,14.99,15.94,16.79,3.94,3.41,3.15,3.24,0.79,0.31,0,0
Turk_Kazanlik,20.10,16.93,17.68,11.70,22.85,1.50,2.76,1.72,3.09,0.72,0.59,0.37,0
Turk_Razgrad,21.27,22.84,14.09,12.92,19.33,1.03,2.24,2.57,2.24,0.25,0.12,0,1.10
Turk_Sliven-Alevi,20.29,20.76,14.36,19.19,13.55,2.51,2.98,2.70,1.95,1.38,0,0,0.33
Turk_Dobrich,18.15,22.61,15.49,12.65,18.85,4.32,2.72,2.17,0.35,1.73,0,0.59,0.38
Turk_Stara-Zagora,21.7,18.28,14.13,15.26,19.21,4.15,1.27,0.54,4.73,0.58,0,0.14,0
Turk_Targovishte,20.17,18.88,12.05,14.29,22.67,2.61,1.15,3.42,3.38,0.61,0.77,0,0

And these are Bulgarians

Bulgaria_average,21.80,24.15,17.82,11.65,19.51,2.40,0.53,0.42,0.77,0.38,0.33,0.11,0.08
Bulgaria_Northcentral,21.30,24.45,17.41,11.88,19.86,2.33,0.65,0.28,0.99,0.37,0.28,0.07,0.14
Bulgaria_Northeastern,22.15,22.37,17.46,13.43,19.44,2.56,0.46,0.32,0.49,0.24,0.29,0.11,0.10
Bulgaria_Northwestern,22.04,26.19,17.58,10.15,19.05,2.31,0.40,0.52,0.70,0.51,0.38,0.07,0.09
Bulgaria_Southcentral,21.22,23.73,18.05,11.66,20.32,2.41,0.57,0.37,0.85,0.21,0.29,0.24,0.04
Bulgaria_Southeastern,20.13,21.81,18.44,13.87,20.44,2.92,0.43,0.30,0.48,0.44,0.47,0.11,0.07
Bulgaria_Southwestern,22.85,24.04,17.87,11.48,18.68,2.26,0.58,0.51,0.85,0.44,0.33,0.06,0.06

The difference lies mainly in Turks having higher values in West Asian and East Asian/Siberian components.

[vbnetkhio]

Nope, the ethnicity doesn't matter at all. We are from 2 separate countries. There are cultural peculiarities in both, even if the ethnicity is the same.

Most people really. I don't intend to give names, as I'm not interested in your Balkan squabbles and vendettas. I am not as fiery. I simply expressed my opinion, which I am fully entitled to.

Just go back and look at how you people communicate. When a Serb/Croat/Bosniak that is more Southern is posted then immediately people speculate about Albanian/Vlach admixture. When a more Northern Serb/Croat/Bosniak is posted that falls into Ukrainian range and is even more atypical than the prior, people start talking about medieval South Slavic profiles. Nobody even dares to assume foreign admixture and these things should be questioned and verified thoroughly. That's why I can't help but laugh at this circus. And I ponder that if these things happen in public, where everyone sees them, then anything could happen in private, because of how your brains are wired.

how much do you know about the history of these areas? the western Balkans are a very isolated area compared to Moldova. 90%+ people were rural until recently and they plot in a thin elongated shaped cluster, which indicates they are a mix of just 2 groups, eartly Slavs and and local pre-Slavs. everything else is really rare.

i don't see what's controversial in discussing medieval South Slavic profiles.

I guess I'll never know for certain, unless I start working on these ethnicities myself. But I am not interested in them, so I will give you all the benefit of the doubt.

ok, but then you'll have to accept these averages, and not complain about them on every thread. i admit they are not perfect, because of a lack of samples, but they are best i can do. and i think they serve their purpose fine.

i don't plan to change them much anymore, i have negative experiences with collecting samples, people are very secretive about their results, i ain't got time for convincing them to tell me their ancestry.

[Ion Basescul]

how much do you know about the history of these areas? the western Balkans are a very isolated area compared to Moldova. 90%+ people were rural until recently and they plot in a thin elongated shaped cluster, which indicates they are a mix of just 2 groups, eartly Slavs and and local pre-Slavs. everything else is really rare.

Republic of Moldova is the same and that doesn't change the fact that there are visible geographical gradients. The local population here urbanised mostly starting with the middle of the previous centry.
I don't believe that Serbia or Serbs in general are as homogeneous as shown.
You have Serbs like Milenko from the Northern-most point in the country score noticeably below the Serbian average. If such profiles below average exist in Vojvodina, then they should be pretty common in Belgrade and Southern & Eastern Serbia.

Name	N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
Milenko(Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina)	20.84	29.18	19.78	9.81	14.96	2.36	1.31	0.00	0.42	0.83	0.51	0.00	0.00

The distribution of population in Serbia is as follows:

Šumadija and Western Serbia - 2m or 28%
Vojvodina - 1.9m or 26%
Belgrade (mutts from all over the country + minorities, like any other capital) - 1.7 millions or 24%Southern and Eastern Serbia - 1.6m or 22%

i don't see what's controversial in discussing medieval South Slavic profiles.

It's not controversial, because early Slavs are obviously more Northern compared to modern South Slavs. But it contrasts with how Serbs with Southern profiles are shunned upon, while these are raised on a pedestal. Why do you think that users like Insuperable are not posting their results? It's all related to this toxicity.

i don't plan to change them much anymore, i have negative experiences with collecting samples, people are very secretive about their results, i ain't got time for convincing them to tell me their ancestry.

I don't need you to change them, because there isn't anything better. I'd rather have you on this, than Castor, Varda or other Balkan psychopaths. I am simply raising awareness about the issues that I have with them.

[Dušan]

But it contrasts with how Serbs with Southern profiles are shunned upon, while these are raised on a pedestal. Why do you think that users like Insuperable are not posting their results? It's all related to this toxicity.

It is lie. All results are equally respected.

[Jana]

Everything in are region is disputed, Croatia says one thing, Serbia says one thing, Bosna say another, then there is with in a country people say more things, thing is even if one side would have all the proof the other would never rocognize it, I think its healty we have this discussions, but I have hard time we will concvert each other, better maby just, take as many sampels as we can, build a map, and see what we get

Yes ,I agree with you.

[Jana]

This how ethnic makeup of Bosnia will look if Bosnian "Croats" go back to their old indentity. ( MAP FROM 1991 )

From which mental hospital did you escape from?

[Jana]

I am slowly losing my patience with subhuman Castor and will talk to Loki to see what can be done for his permaban.

[Jana]

i don't plan to change them much anymore, i have negative experiences with collecting samples, people are very secretive about their results, i ain't got time for convincing them to tell me their ancestry.

Agree. We are doing best we can and it's unpleasant job begging people for their K13 when many don't want to give it or simply ignore our asking.
Collecting samples is difficult thing and it's annoying to see when such hard work is questioned. You need to have really thick skin to do it.

[Moje ime]

They should remain what they are, to preserve their ethnic identity, I have no problem with that.
I am so proud of some of our minorities, such as Slovaks, Rusyns, Hungarians, Romanans.
On some other less so.

Yes, there are mixed marriages with Serbs, so eventually some of them will be assimilated.

Hungarians were not minority to be proud of in the recent past.