South Slavic & neighbours gedmatch results - vol.2

**Jana** · 10-15-2020, 10:47 AM

red cluster is Bulgarian and green Macedonian/Aromanian?
Could you add Hungarians perhaps?

**vbnetkhio** · 10-15-2020, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

red cluster is Bulgarian and green Macedonian/Aromanian?
Could you add Hungarians perhaps?

yes.
could you send me the k13 Hungarian database?

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

You could try and split Romania and Republic of Moldova in their own clusters, but I think they will be similar, because of the Stefan Voda outliers on one end and Suceava on the other.

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i tried that too. maybe the best division is Wallachia+South Moldova on one side, and Transylvania+Moldavia+Moldova on the other.

these are the outliers btw:

Code:

Romania_Moldavia_12_Botosani,18.23,40,15.66,8.32,10.78,0,2.34,0.76,1,1.93,0.99,0,0
Moldova_7_Edinet,20.49,37.99,14.24,10.49,12.58,1.15,0,0,2.42,0.33,0,0,0.31
Moldova_47_Balti,18.18,36.07,14.32,12.57,10.84,2.87,0.06,1.99,1.21,0,0.7,0.65,0.55
Moldova_66_Chisinau,16.62,36.01,12.23,12.45,12.34,1.86,4.34,0,1.65,1.59,0.55,0.36,0
Romania_Muntenia_140_Bucuresti,14.94,30.25,18.1,12.55,17.83,1.55,1.44,1.79,0,0.8,0.37,0,0.4
Romania_Muntenia_142_Bucuresti,17.68,34.22,13.55,6.36,24.84,0.77,0.42,0,1.03,0.89,0,0,0.23

i think they have some real Scythian ancestry.

**Jana** · 10-15-2020, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

yes.
could you send me the k13 Hungarian database?

i tried that too. maybe the best division is Wallachia+South Moldova on one side, and Transylvania+Moldavia+Moldova on the other.

these are the outliers btw:

Code:

Romania_Moldavia_12_Botosani,18.23,40,15.66,8.32,10.78,0,2.34,0.76,1,1.93,0.99,0,0
Moldova_7_Edinet,20.49,37.99,14.24,10.49,12.58,1.15,0,0,2.42,0.33,0,0,0.31
Moldova_47_Balti,18.18,36.07,14.32,12.57,10.84,2.87,0.06,1.99,1.21,0,0.7,0.65,0.55
Moldova_66_Chisinau,16.62,36.01,12.23,12.45,12.34,1.86,4.34,0,1.65,1.59,0.55,0.36,0
Romania_Muntenia_140_Bucuresti,14.94,30.25,18.1,12.55,17.83,1.55,1.44,1.79,0,0.8,0.37,0,0.4
Romania_Muntenia_142_Bucuresti,17.68,34.22,13.55,6.36,24.84,0.77,0.42,0,1.03,0.89,0,0,0.23

i think they have some real Scythian ancestry.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6675961
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6676015
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6676079
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6676595

But Dunai said he's working on significant update. It's lot of work to put them on PCA, so maybe better wait for update.

**Leto** · 10-15-2020, 11:11 AM

Some Romanian, presumably from Western Romania. Ion, if you need the number, I will share it with you.

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 25.16
2 North_Atlantic 23.37
3 East_Med 18.83
4 West_Med 14.47
5 West_Asian 11.4
6 Red_Sea 3.31
7 Oceanian 1.67
8 East_Asian 1.05
9 South_Asian 0.7
10 Siberian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 3.7
2 Bulgarian 4.4
3 Serbian 5.51
4 Moldavian 10.82
5 Greek_Thessaly 11.93
6 Hungarian 13.2
7 Croatian 13.62
8 Austrian 16.25
9 Tuscan 17.18
10 Italian_Abruzzo 17.67
11 North_Italian 17.69
12 East_German 18.14
13 Central_Greek 18.45
14 West_Sicilian 19.46
15 East_Sicilian 19.62
16 Ukrainian_Lviv 19.74
17 West_German 20.03
18 South_Polish 20.45
19 Ashkenazi 20.81
20 French 20.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.7% Serbian + 11.3% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.23
2 88.8% Serbian + 11.2% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.26
3 57.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 42.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.28
4 57.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 42.6% Southwest_Russian @ 2.31
5 88.5% Serbian + 11.5% Assyrian @ 2.34
6 88.6% Serbian + 11.4% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.44
7 88.6% Serbian + 11.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.48
8 87.5% Serbian + 12.5% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.49
9 64.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 35.8% Lithuanian @ 2.54
10 87.8% Serbian + 12.2% Syrian @ 2.59
11 89.1% Serbian + 10.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.59
12 59.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 40.5% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.6
13 60.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 39.6% Belorussian @ 2.67
14 88.5% Serbian + 11.5% Jordanian @ 2.7
15 52.6% Central_Greek + 47.4% South_Polish @ 2.72
16 60% Italian_Abruzzo + 40% Estonian_Polish @ 2.72
17 89% Serbian + 11% Samaritan @ 2.74
18 89.2% Serbian + 10.8% Armenian @ 2.78
19 88.8% Serbian + 11.2% Palestinian @ 2.78
20 90.6% Bulgarian + 9.4% La_Brana-1 @ 2.82

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 16.64
2 North_Sea 16.13
3 East_Med 15.76
4 Atlantic 13.9
5 West_Asian 11.86
6 Eastern_Euro 10.63
7 West_Med 10
8 Red_Sea 3.14
9 Oceanian 1.55
10 South_Asian 0.27
11 Southeast_Asian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 3.91
2 Bulgarian 5.23
3 Serbian 6.53
4 Moldavian 9.9
5 Greek_Thessaly 11.36
6 Croatian 12.13
7 Hungarian 12.44
8 Greek 12.51
9 Austrian 12.96
10 Tuscan 16.05
11 Italian_Abruzzo 16.18
12 Ashkenazi 16.29
13 Central_Greek 16.8
14 East_German 17.08
15 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.34
16 North_Italian 17.46
17 East_Sicilian 17.79
18 South_Polish 18.06
19 West_Sicilian 18.37
20 Ukrainian 18.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.2% Central_Greek + 39.8% Estonian @ 2.92
2 75.7% Croatian + 24.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.98
3 72.5% Croatian + 27.5% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.02
4 51.9% Central_Greek + 48.1% South_Polish @ 3.09
5 74.4% Croatian + 25.6% Assyrian @ 3.15
6 55.8% Central_Greek + 44.2% Southwest_Russian @ 3.16
7 50.8% Central_Greek + 49.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.17
8 55% Central_Greek + 45% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.21
9 75.8% Croatian + 24.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.32
10 76.8% Moldavian + 23.2% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.33
11 56% Italian_Abruzzo + 44% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.33
12 75.8% Croatian + 24.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.34
13 98.4% Romanian + 1.6% Papuan @ 3.34
14 79.7% Moldavian + 20.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.36
15 62.7% South_Polish + 37.3% Cyprian @ 3.38
16 98.1% Romanian + 1.9% NAN_Melanesian @ 3.39
17 55.4% Central_Greek + 44.6% Polish @ 3.41
18 75.5% Croatian + 24.5% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.42
19 52.5% Central_Greek + 47.5% Ukrainian @ 3.44
20 56.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 43.2% Southwest_Russian @ 3.46

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 33.61
2 Atlantic_Med 25.17
3 Caucasus 24.76
4 Southwest_Asian 8.15
5 Gedrosia 5.91
6 Southeast_Asian 1.25
7 Siberian 0.78
8 South_Asian 0.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 5.51
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 6.02
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 7.3

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 31.2% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.73

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 10-15-2020, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

yes.
could you send me the k13 Hungarian database?

i tried that too. maybe the best division is Wallachia+South Moldova on one side, and Transylvania+Moldavia+Moldova on the other.

these are the outliers btw:

Code:

Romania_Moldavia_12_Botosani,18.23,40,15.66,8.32,10.78,0,2.34,0.76,1,1.93,0.99,0,0
Moldova_7_Edinet,20.49,37.99,14.24,10.49,12.58,1.15,0,0,2.42,0.33,0,0,0.31
Moldova_47_Balti,18.18,36.07,14.32,12.57,10.84,2.87,0.06,1.99,1.21,0,0.7,0.65,0.55
Moldova_66_Chisinau,16.62,36.01,12.23,12.45,12.34,1.86,4.34,0,1.65,1.59,0.55,0.36,0
Romania_Muntenia_140_Bucuresti,14.94,30.25,18.1,12.55,17.83,1.55,1.44,1.79,0,0.8,0.37,0,0.4
Romania_Muntenia_142_Bucuresti,17.68,34.22,13.55,6.36,24.84,0.77,0.42,0,1.03,0.89,0,0,0.23

i think they have some real Scythian ancestry.

Nah, I think it's just an unbalanced proportion between North Atlantic and Baltic that is being produced by K13. I didn't notice the same on K36 for example. My mom experiences the same with her original unimputed data.
Mama_OG,19.44,37.30,15.60,10.04,13.19,0.47,0.95,1. 49,0.28,0.41,0.82,0,0

**Jana** · 10-15-2020, 11:12 AM

Interesting tsne from Ph2ter

Transylvania means Hungarians from Transylvania btw. He made this to show how Hungarian regions cluster on such plot.

**WeirdLookingFellow** · 10-15-2020, 11:23 AM

Hehehe, love how I split from the Romanian cluster in that one.

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 10-15-2020, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Interesting tsne from Ph2ter

Transylvania means Hungarians from Transylvania btw. He made this to show how Hungarian regions cluster on such plot.

Oof, I cluster with Hungarians from Romania again. I'm wondering how it will look when I get the MyHeritage data.

**Varda** · 10-15-2020, 03:23 PM

Bosniak with surname Tanović. Probably from East Herzegovina (Tanović is common Bosniak surname from Gacko https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gacko).

He is super mongoloid for South Slavic standards.

**Leto** · 10-15-2020, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Varda

Bosniak with surname Tanović. Probably from East Herzegovina (Tanović is common Bosniak surname from Gacko https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gacko).

He is super mongoloid for South Slavic standards 20200401_165759.jpg

Interesting. His Mongoloid according to Dodecad. That may be Turkish ancestry of some sort. I wonder what he scores on Ancestry DNA (his testing company)

Gedrosia 3.80 Pct
Siberian 1.16 Pct
Northwest_African 0.95 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.41 Pct
Atlantic_Med 25.56 Pct
North_European 40.71 Pct
South_Asian 0.56 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.95 Pct
East_Asian 0.81 Pct
Caucasus 22.10 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Tanović
2.65198039 MD_Center
2.86876280 MD_North
3.00099983 Serb
3.48071832 Bosnian
4.62586208 Croat
4.91216856 HUN_Szekely
6.07415838 Montenegrin
7.59622933 Romanian
8.01894008 Macedonian
8.55479398 Pomak

Target: Tanović
Distance: 1.7672% / 1.76720973 | ADC: 0.5x
43.0 MD_North
31.0 MD_Center
26.0 Serb

Target: Tanović
Distance: 1.5339% / 1.53391798 | ADC: 0.25x
72.0 MD_North
21.2 Serb
6.0 Albanian_North
0.8 Georgian_Mingrelian

Without Moldova

Target: Tanović
Distance: 1.8814% / 1.88139465 | ADC: 0.25x
51.8 Bosnian
44.6 Serb
3.6 Nogai