Serbian Autosomal DNA

[vbnetkhio]

Serb from Lika, from Medak
it's close to Nikola Tesla's birthplace.

Serb_Lika,19.09,34.15,16.85,9.42,17.77,0.97,0,0.34,0,1.25,0,0.14,0

Target: Serb_Lika
Distance: 1.9847% / 1.98467429
34.4 Macedonian_Greece
33.4 Macedonian_Southwest
29.8 Latvian
1.2 Cyprian
0.6 Greek_Cypriot
0.6 Karitiana

Distance to:	Serb_Lika
6.83417881	Bulgarian_Northwest
7.00648271	Moldova_Centre
7.08885745	Croat_B&H_Herzegovina
7.09596364	Moldova_average
7.26977304	Bulgarian_Sofia
7.34461027	Serb_B&H_Krajina
7.48835095	Bosniak_Sarajevo
7.52826673	Serb_B&H_Herzegovina
7.71531594	Romania_Maramures
7.74328742	Serb_B&H
7.84190666	Serb_Serbia
7.84614555	Serb_Serbia_West&Central
7.93731693	Serb
7.98651363	Serb_Serbia_South&East
8.06601513	Bosniak
8.29610752	Bulgarian_Ruse
8.31795047	Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
8.43924167	Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
8.63667181	Croat_B&H
8.67460662	Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper
8.68922321	Bulgarian_Pleven
8.69760312	Serb_Croatia
8.78835024	Croat_Croatia_Dalmatia
8.81711404	Pomak_Plovdiv
8.89576866	Serb_Croatia_Lika

[Leto]

A new Serbian kit

Kit CA6843947

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.22
2 North_Atlantic 22.02
3 West_Med 20.07
4 East_Med 14.71
5 West_Asian 8.38
6 Red_Sea 5.06
7 East_Asian 0.46
8 Siberian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 6.7
2 Romanian 7.22
3 Bulgarian 8.04
4 Moldavian 8.41
5 Croatian 10.79
6 Hungarian 12.71
7 Greek_Thessaly 15.26
8 Austrian 15.54
9 East_German 16.7
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.74
11 Ukrainian 18.09
12 South_Polish 18.09
13 North_Italian 18.84
14 Tuscan 19.83
15 West_German 21.02
16 Polish 21.12
17 French 21.33
18 Southwest_Russian 21.39
19 Ukrainian_Belgorod 21.69
20 Italian_Abruzzo 21.99

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.5% Greek_Thessaly + 47.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.58
2 76% Croatian + 24% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.58
3 59.9% Croatian + 40.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.67
4 70.1% Croatian + 29.9% East_Sicilian @ 4.71
5 84.8% Moldavian + 15.2% Sardinian @ 4.76
6 58.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 41.4% East_Sicilian @ 4.77
7 54.6% Greek_Thessaly + 45.4% Ukrainian @ 4.78
8 65.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 34.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.8
9 56.6% Ukrainian + 43.4% East_Sicilian @ 4.83
10 81.8% Moldavian + 18.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.84
11 69.2% Croatian + 30.8% Central_Greek @ 4.84
12 58.7% Greek_Thessaly + 41.3% Polish @ 4.86
13 67.9% Moldavian + 32.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.91
14 61.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 38.1% South_Italian @ 4.91
15 57.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 42.5% Central_Greek @ 4.93
16 73.1% Croatian + 26.9% South_Italian @ 4.93
17 60.9% Greek_Thessaly + 39.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.99
18 58.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 41.7% West_Sicilian @ 4.99
19 55.4% Ukrainian + 44.6% Central_Greek @ 5.03
20 77.1% Moldavian + 22.9% East_Sicilian @ 5.03

[Leto]

Serbian results

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 29.88
2 Baltic 26.05
3 West_Med 16.94
4 East_Med 10.6
5 West_Asian 10.26
6 Red_Sea 3.51
7 South_Asian 1.62
8 Oceanian 1
9 Sub-Saharan 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 5.56
2 Hungarian 7.74
3 Romanian 8.42
4 Austrian 8.52
5 Moldavian 8.75
6 Croatian 10
7 East_German 10.42
8 Bulgarian 11.27
9 West_German 12.87
10 South_Dutch 14.23
11 French 14.39
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.95
13 South_Polish 16.25
14 North_Italian 17.09
15 North_German 17.48
16 Ukrainian 17.56
17 Spanish_Galicia 18.31
18 Greek_Thessaly 18.32
19 Portuguese 18.4
20 Spanish_Cataluna 19.06

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.3% East_German + 28.7% Central_Greek @ 3.29
2 63.4% Moldavian + 36.6% French @ 3.33
3 80.4% East_German + 19.6% Cyprian @ 3.42
4 81.1% East_German + 18.9% Syrian @ 3.44
5 72.3% East_German + 27.7% East_Sicilian @ 3.46
6 70.8% Moldavian + 29.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.49
7 81% East_German + 19% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.51
8 64.7% East_German + 35.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.55
9 50.3% Romanian + 49.7% Austrian @ 3.59
10 70.1% Moldavian + 29.9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.6
11 72.9% Moldavian + 27.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.61
12 69.4% Moldavian + 30.6% Portuguese @ 3.62
13 71.1% Moldavian + 28.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.63
14 69.3% Moldavian + 30.7% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.65
15 58.1% Austrian + 41.9% Bulgarian @ 3.69
16 70% Austrian + 30% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.7
17 72.1% Moldavian + 27.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.71
18 79.1% East_German + 20.9% Turkish @ 3.73
19 56.3% Romanian + 43.7% East_German @ 3.73
20 82.4% East_German + 17.6% Assyrian @ 3.73


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 20.69
2 Baltic 17.8
3 North_Sea 17.29
4 West_Med 13.24
5 West_Asian 10.7
6 Eastern_Euro 9.11
7 East_Med 5.96
8 Red_Sea 3.25
9 South_Asian 1.05
10 Oceanian 0.91

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 7.76
2 Austrian 7.85
3 Romanian 8.42
4 Croatian 8.82
5 Moldavian 9.39
6 Hungarian 9.51
7 Bulgarian 10.57
8 East_German 10.92
9 French 14.73
10 South_Dutch 14.85
11 South_Polish 14.85
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.94
13 North_Italian 15.91
14 Ukrainian 16.07
15 Spanish_Galicia 16.67
16 West_German 16.7
17 Spanish_Cataluna 16.84
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.2
19 Portuguese 17.23
20 Polish 17.24

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.8% Moldavian + 22.2% French_Basque @ 4.94
2 70.6% Moldavian + 29.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.03
3 72.2% Moldavian + 27.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.09
4 70.2% Moldavian + 29.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.18
5 67.8% Moldavian + 32.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.23
6 69.9% Moldavian + 30.1% Southwest_French @ 5.27
7 70.1% Moldavian + 29.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.28
8 68% Croatian + 32% North_Italian @ 5.29
9 72.3% Croatian + 27.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.32
10 51.1% Bulgarian + 48.9% East_German @ 5.32
11 70.7% Moldavian + 29.3% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.37
12 73.1% Croatian + 26.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.41
13 70.3% Croatian + 29.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.49
14 71.3% Croatian + 28.7% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.5
15 67.8% Moldavian + 32.2% Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.56
16 59.9% Romanian + 40.1% East_German @ 5.63
17 69.5% Moldavian + 30.5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.63
18 71.8% Croatian + 28.2% Tuscan @ 5.66
19 54.8% North_Italian + 45.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.67
20 72.9% Croatian + 27.1% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.68

[vbnetkhio]

results from Drobnjak

North_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	Northeast_African	Sub-Saharan
26.12	25.56	15.56	14.23	14.81	1.88	-	-	0.61	0.73	0.51	-	-
24.87	31.32	17.62	7.48	13.59	2.46	-	-	1.00	-	0.35	0.82	0.49
24.17	27.74	17.67	12.67	15.38	1.00	-	0.45	0.28	0.24	-	-	0.40
19.92	32.86	18.71	8.61	15.11	2.14	-	1.35	0.17	-	-	1.12	-

[Dušan]

I made PCA plot with national averages from updated K13 calculator, and 38 Serbian results.

[MandM]

I made PCA plot with national averages from updated K13 calculator, and 38 Serbian results.

you didint take me

[Varda]

results from Drobnjak

North_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	Northeast_African	Sub-Saharan
26.12	25.56	15.56	14.23	14.81	1.88	-	-	0.61	0.73	0.51	-	-
24.87	31.32	17.62	7.48	13.59	2.46	-	-	1.00	-	0.35	0.82	0.49
24.17	27.74	17.67	12.67	15.38	1.00	-	0.45	0.28	0.24	-	-	0.40
19.92	32.86	18.71	8.61	15.11	2.14	-	1.35	0.17	-	-	1.12	-

These are also Drobnjaks according to information which I got (Rondović family from Žabljak).

[Dušan]

you didint take me

I am sorry, I forgot.

New PCA plot, with your result included.

[MoroLP]

A geographic & historical approach to Serbian supra-regional averages and Vbn's current supra-regional averages (#2265):

Serb_north,25.11,30.70,16.57,9.04,14.65,1.53,0.53, 0.32,0.57,0.43,0.43,0.06,0.04
Serb_central,25.13,29.35,17.05,8.71,15.72,1.62,0.5 7,0.26,0.66,0.50,0.28,0.10,0.05
Serb_south,23.36,27.16,17.57,9.33,18.39,1.96,0.44, 0.18,0.84,0.35,0.28,0.00,0.15
Serb,24.72,29.47,17.13,9.20,15.42,1.55,0.55,0.27,0 .72,0.53,0.30,0.08,0.05

See post #245 and #246

The older Serbian regional averages were grouped to make:

Serb_Serbia_West&Central,24.73,29.61,17.39,9.17,15.15,1.41,0.56,0.2 2,0.88,0.60,0.16,0.08,0.03 - 80% (1910)
Serb_B&H_Bosnia_proper,25.87,31.26,16.23,8.33,13.67,1.71, 0.71,0.47,0.91,0.50,0.28,0.05,0.01 - 10% (Bosnia_proper and Herzegovina made a new average with 20%)
Serb_B&H_Herzegovina,23.75,28.55,17.08,8.91,17.24,2.40,0. 25,0.02,0.54,0.73,0.50,0.03,0.00 - 10%
Serb_Central2,24.75,29.67,17.24,9.06,15.21,1.54,0.54,0.23,0.85, 0.60,0.21,0.07,0.03 - basically the core of the medieval Serbian state

Serb_Serbia_South&East,23.71,28.32,16.93,9.49,17.19,1.91,0.55,0.15,0 .75,0.44,0.31,0.12,0.11 - that's Serb_South2 (self-explanatory)

Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina,25.31,29.44,16.76,8.91,15.20 ,1.63,0.62,0.57,0.24,0.58,0.58,0.08,0.07 - that's Serb_North2 (self-explanatory)

Serb_B&H_Krajina,23.80,30.63,17.36,9.80,14.63,1.27,0.44,0 .22,0.75,0.36,0.60,0.03,0.08
Serb_Croatia_Lika,25.32,29.46,17.19,8.37,15.65,1.7 2,0.53,0.27,0.53,0.51,0.26,0.13,0.05
Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia,26.32,28.20,16.93,9.45,15.48 ,1.07,0.32,0.31,0.71,0.37,0.57,0.18,0.08
Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija,25.25,30.34,16.50,9.29,15.30,1.38,0.60,0.29 ,0.28,0.38,0.32,0.04,0.03
Serb_West2,25.17,29.66,17.00,9.23,15.27,1.36,0.47,0.27,0.57, 0.41,0.44,0.10,0.06 - Serbs who migrated westward and lived in proximity to Croats for several centuries

So, these supra-regional averages were based on previous regional averages which were "rough approximations" and don't necessarily "depict the genetics of these regions accurately". As can be seen from the first PCA with new "_2" supra-regional averages, and the second PCA also including older regional averages, Serbs seemingly don't have a northern supra-regional average (besides small regional B&H_Bosnia_proper) as the majority of the regional and supra-regional averages cluster making Serbian national average, with the only outlier being southern (supra-)regional average Serbia_South&East and Serbia_South(2). So, Serbs are quite a homogeneous nation, geographically speaking probably don't even have this slightly northern shifted "Serb_north", but is possibly useful to have one for northern-shifted samples.

Serbs from B&H have quite a range, from Bosnia proper are very similar to Bosniaks, from Krajina are very similar to Serbs from Croatia. However, why are the Serbs from Herzegovina so southern shifted in comparison to them and southern Croats including those from Herzegovina? They have a strong inclination toward South&East Serbia and Montenegrin average, being in-between them and Serbian national average. Is it due to partial Montenegrin origin? Also, it's interesting that Serbs from Croatia are so much southern shifted from Croatian regional averages south of river Sava. As if the Serbs were already southernly shifted and intermarried for centuries within their own ethnic & religious community?

[vbnetkhio]

So, these supra-regional averages were based on previous regional averages which were "rough approximations" and don't necessarily "depict the genetics of these regions accurately". As can be seen from the first PCA with new "_2" supra-regional averages, and the second PCA also including older regional averages, Serbs seemingly don't have a northern supra-regional average (besides small regional B&H_Bosnia_proper) as the majority of the regional and supra-regional averages cluster making Serbian national average, with the only outlier being southern (supra-)regional average Serbia_South&East and Serbia_South(2). So, Serbs are quite a homogeneous nation, geographically speaking probably don't even have this slightly northern shifted "Serb_north", but is possibly useful to have one for northern-shifted samples.

Among "central" Serbs the highest Baltic score is 34, on a very large sample. And among the "northern" there are already a couple of individuals with 36. This is what the northern group is based on.
The difference is very small, but it exists for sure.

Serbs from B&H have quite a range, from Bosnia proper are very similar to Bosniaks, from Krajina are very similar to Serbs from Croatia. However, why are the Serbs from Herzegovina so southern shifted in comparison to them and southern Croats including those from Herzegovina? They have a strong inclination toward South&East Serbia and Montenegrin average, being in-between them and Serbian national average. Is it due to partial Montenegrin origin?

They all have around 10 samples only. I think all 3 will end up closer to each other with more samples added. I'm pretty sure at least the North Atlantic will reach 25% in all 3 averages.

Also, it's interesting that Serbs from Croatia are so much southern shifted from Croatian regional averages south of river Sava. As if the Serbs were already southernly shifted and intermarried for centuries within their own ethnic & religious community?

Yes, I think this is what happened.