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**J. Ketch** · 11-30-2020, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Lucas

Irish and English were updated too?

No, I just put them there as a comparison.

**Lucas** · 11-30-2020, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Dodecad for Grace O'Mally

Distance to: Grace_O'Malley(Irish)
2.15555097 Icelandic
2.40260276 Irish
2.57120594 Scottish
2.89447750 Mixed_NW_Euro
3.04333698 English_North
3.04663749 Dutch_North
4.10363254 English_mixed
4.53270339 English_South
4.61997835 Dutch_Central
4.75538642 Dutch

Distance: 43.4269% / 0.43426945
Target: Grace_O'Malley(Irish) | ADC: 0.25x RC
52.8 Icelandic
47.2 Irish

Distance: 42.1842% / 0.42184219
Target: Grace_O'Malley(Irish)
70.8 Irish
19.3 Icelandic
7.2 Swedish
2.7 Latvian

She has old Scandinavian input. Always is more Germanic than average.

**Leto** · 11-30-2020, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Creoda

She's always an outlier for Irish tbh, same as my father.

Well, the Icelanders are almost half Irish, so that's nothing extraordinary.

**J. Ketch** · 11-30-2020, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Well, the Icelanders are almost half Irish, so that's nothing extraordinary.

Yes, and Irish are supposedly around 20% Germanic.

Code:

Distance to:	CreodaDad
2.40941902	Icelandic
3.13907630	Irish
3.76337614	Scottish
3.76944293	Dutch_North
4.19779704	Mixed_NW_Euro
4.26668490	English_North
5.34545601	English_mixed
5.76243872	Dutch_Central
5.84387714	English_South
5.96382428	Dutch
6.09380833	Swedish
8.64993642	German
9.42692421	Dutch_South
13.03987730	French2
13.69189906	French
14.52906742	Bavarian_German
15.73966327	Sorb_Lusatia
16.26497156	Slovak
16.52050847	Slovenian
16.87600960	PL_Warmia-Masuria
18.01653407	Hungarians
18.65911038	Polish_mixed
20.42884236	Croat
20.47419351	Ukrainian
21.29453451	HUN_Szekely

Distance to:	CreodaMum
1.92093727	English_North
1.93119134	English_mixed
2.00377144	English_South
2.76817629	Dutch
2.93872421	Mixed_NW_Euro
2.94477503	Dutch_Central
2.99979999	Scottish
4.14354920	Irish
4.47992187	Dutch_North
4.54575626	Dutch_South
5.02510696	Icelandic
7.32315506	German
8.23945993	Swedish
9.36813749	Bavarian_German
10.04372441	French2
10.60646501	French
13.05293837	Slovenian
14.47797292	Slovak
15.19842426	Hungarians
15.31296183	Sorb_Lusatia
16.46273367	Croat
16.91333202	HUN_Szekely
17.60549062	PL_Warmia-Masuria
17.96532772	Bosnian
17.99064260	Italy_Aosta_Valley

Distance to:	Creoda
1.09649441	Irish
2.26059727	Scottish
2.77884868	Mixed_NW_Euro
3.18733431	English_North
3.98923552	English_mixed
4.33624261	Icelandic
4.51993363	English_South
4.76615149	Dutch_North
5.93722999	Dutch
5.94220498	Dutch_Central
8.36675564	Swedish
8.58214425	Dutch_South
9.98982983	German
10.79057459	French2
11.43345092	French
13.57610769	Bavarian_German
17.13371238	Slovenian
17.59792886	Sorb_Lusatia
17.63909862	Slovak
18.98989205	Hungarians
19.05132541	PL_Warmia-Masuria
20.64319985	Polish_mixed
20.74564774	Croat
21.00900399	Italy_Aosta_Valley
21.15129547	HUN_Szekely

Code:

Distance: 103.0044% / 1.03004369
Target: Creoda | ADC: 0.25x RC
98.6	Irish
1.4	Finnish_West

Distance: 116.3849% / 1.16384884
Target: CreodaMum | ADC: 0.25x RC
88.7	English_North
5.5	Hungarians
5.3	Bavarian_German
0.5	Pulliyar

Distance: 142.9699% / 1.42969858
Target: CreodaDad | ADC: 0.25x RC
89.5	Irish
10.5	Finnish_West

**Jana** · 11-30-2020, 04:12 PM

K13 is missing Belgian (Flemish/Walloon) and Icelandic averages, would be nice to have them. Also Latvian average is very distinct from other NE Europeans, idk why.
Estonians for example end up closer to Poles/Belarusians than to Latvians, doesn't make sense.

**Jana** · 11-30-2020, 04:13 PM

double

**Graham** · 11-30-2020, 05:31 PM

There is a slight theme. The North Sea component in K15 probably pushes things more to the East. Where K13 has Atlantic and North Sea lumped together I suppose. I could not tell you what is better. But both are similar to G25

K13

Distance: 360.5743% / 3.60574303
Target: Graham
91.4 West_Scottish
8.6 Norway_South_Central

Distance to: Graham
3.65224588 West_Scottish
4.48665800 Irish_Munster
4.51401152 Scottish
4.62000000 Orcadian
4.65504028 Irish
4.84127049 Irish_Leinster
4.86210860 Irish_Connacht
4.98932861 Irish_Ulster
5.36779284 English_North
5.98069394 English

K15

Distance: 423.8518% / 4.23851784
Target: Graham
71.5 Orcadian
28.5 West_Norwegian

Distance to: Graham
4.74248880 Orcadian
6.53098767 Irish_Connacht
6.82381125 West_Norwegian
6.89552754 West_Scottish
7.11945223 Dutch_North
7.29240701 Scottish
7.38495768 Irish_Munster
7.42696439 Irish
7.53200505 Irish_Leinster
7.71799197 English_North

G25

Distance: 1.7688% / 0.01768846
Target: Graham_scaled
45.2 English_Cornwall
28.7 Norwegian
19.6 Scottish
3.7 Shetlandic
2.5 French_Paris
0.3 Papuan

Distance to: Graham_scaled
0.01854313 Scottish
0.02004765 English_Cornwall
0.02006606 Irish
0.02022898 Welsh
0.02058113 English
0.02155676 Dutch
0.02159859 Orcadian
0.02218018 Shetlandic
0.02348278 Norwegian
0.02512893 French_Brittany

**Thracian** · 11-30-2020, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Impaler

I removed all Balkan_Turk samples + Balkan Roma, because there are 2 Roma samples. The fit is worse for me. For Mortimer is the best calculator ever with this run. He scored exactly his known ancestry(documented). But as you see even Thracian who is a Balkan Turk scored Romani. I just think these samples are not good for us to fit our ancestry.

Distance: 204.4986% / 2.04498621
Target: Mortimer | ADC: 0.25x RC
56.8 Romani
22.1 Vlach_North-Macedonia
14.4 Romania_Oltenia
3.5 Pomak_Kavala
3.2 IT_Aosta_Valley

Distance: 345.0657% / 3.45065662
Target: Impaler | ADC: 0.25x RC
42.7 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
19.9 Greek_Northern-Thrace
19.0 FRA_Provence
8.3 Turkmen
4.6 Austroasiatic_Ho
2.6 Romani
2.2 Ashkenazi
0.7 Yoruban

Distance: 107.5214% / 1.07521442
Target: Thracian | ADC: 0.25x RC
41.9 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
40.5 Greek_Istanbul
13.2 Romani
3.0 Dolgan
1.4 Tadjik

Mine is very clear, actually. I do not have Roma matches including FTDNA, 23andMe, Myheritage and Gedmatch. I most likely score them because of my extra Iranic admixture, in contrast to Roma, I have many Kurdish and Iranian matches.

None of my ancestors lived in Central Macedonia and Greek Istanbul is a not representative sample due to 1/8 exotic admixture.

Code:

Distance: 196.6555% / 1.96655464
Target: Greek_Istanbul | ADC: 0.25x
46.9	Greek_Ionia
17.3	Greek_West
14.2	Lezgin
13.5	Pomak_Central-Macedonia
8.1	Greek_Northern-Thrace

It pulls my Turkic heritage lower, my score without Istanbul and some other Greek samples such as Macedonia_Thrace,

Code:

Distance: 181.0803% / 1.81080275
Target: Thracian(balkan_turk) | ADC: 0.25x
42.5	Pomak_Central-Macedonia
27.9	Greek_West_Macedonia
11.3	Turkmen
9.4	Pomak_Drama
6.6	Romani
1.7	Turk_Central_West
0.5	Evens
0.1	Dolgan

The same goes for Pomak samples.

Code:

Distance: 160.2507% / 1.60250673
Target: Pomak_Drama | ADC: 0.25x
74.2	Moldova_South_Gagauzia
14.9	Bulgaria_Northcentral
6.4	Iranian
2.7	Erzya
1.6	Yemenite_Jewish
0.2	Greek_Northern-Thrace

This is what I get without Pomaks,

Code:

Distance: 267.4165% / 2.67416488
Target: Thracian(balkan_turk) | ADC: 0.25x
55.0	Bulgaria_Northeastern
16.0	Turkmen
13.2	IT_Basilicata
10.5	Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
3.7	Romani
0.8	Yemenite_Jewish
0.5	North_German
0.3	Saudi

And without Roma+Gypsy,

Code:

Distance: 270.0063% / 2.70006273
Target: Thracian(balkan_turk) | ADC: 0.25x
44.8	Bulgaria_Northeastern
21.6	Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
13.4	IT_Lucania
12.5	Turkmen
5.6	Tadjik
1.4	Ashkenazi
0.7	Yemenite_Jewish

It_Lucania is a proxy for Greek_like ancestry or maybe Balkan native, so I also removed it,

Code:

Distance: 269.2779% / 2.69277894
Target: Thracian(balkan_turk) | ADC: 0.25x
32.9	Bulgaria_Northeastern
22.1	Greek_West_Macedonia
20.7	Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
13.7	Turkmen
4.4	Tadjik
2.5	Ashkenazi
1.8	North_German
1.1	Yemenite_Jewish
0.8	Parsi_India

That makes a bit sense.

Vlach_NMH is my directly match, and he is from exactly the same city with my ancestors. I do have 1/4 ancestry from there -Gevgelija-. I am southern shifted for a Turk from Bulgaria and I also have dozens of Greek matches, more than even Bulgarian matches.

I also shared many models with you and I didn't score SA. You should focus on limited models depend on the your known ancestry and all possible other ethnicities in Romania and around Romania, this is the best way for modeling yourself.

**J. Ketch** · 12-02-2020, 11:43 AM

New Welsh K13 average based on 56 references

Code:

Welsh,50.73,23.16,13.73,6.18,2.84,0.53,0.97,0.13,0.32,0.58,0.4,0.25,0.12

Code:

Distance to:	Welsh_new
1.16777566	English_North
1.41894327	English
1.43446854	English_Southwest
1.80471604	Irish_Leinster
1.81389085	English_Midlands
2.03091113	Scottish
2.13351822	English_Southeast
2.31540493	Orcadian
2.75708179	Irish
2.96179000	Irish_Munster
3.15515451	West_Scottish
3.34666999	Irish_Connacht
3.46518398	FRA_Armorica
3.49220561	Irish_Ulster
3.58647459	Welsh
3.87295753	Dutch
3.91019181	Dutch_Central
4.65565248	Dutch_North
5.88797079	Dutch_South
6.72390512	Denmark
6.72961366	North_German
6.83583938	Norwegian
7.33027967	Norway_South_Central
7.48069515	Sweden_Götaland
7.87005718	German_West

Code:

Distance to:	Welsh_current
3.71674589	Irish_Leinster
4.06948400	Irish_Ulster
4.11036495	Irish
4.24816431	English_Southwest
4.28102791	Irish_Munster
4.52616836	Scottish
4.54434814	English_North
4.64493272	Irish_Connacht
4.68580836	English
4.76270931	West_Scottish
4.91204642	English_Midlands
5.00208956	FRA_Armorica
5.02526616	Orcadian
5.09469332	English_Southeast
6.80593858	Dutch
6.85386023	Dutch_Central
7.45238888	Dutch_North
7.90129103	Dutch_South
8.97354445	Norwegian
9.04070241	Denmark
9.41244389	North_German
9.61026534	Norway_South_Central
9.71227059	Sweden_Götaland
9.92036290	German_West
11.09486368	Sweden_Svealand_West

K15 (one duplicate reference removed from the 57 I had)

Code:

Welsh,36.46,28.89,9.84,8.67,9.27,4.12,0.71,0.37,0.60,0.06,0.14,0.32,0.22,0.2,0.08

**~~Dunai~~** · 12-02-2020, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Creoda

New Welsh K13 average based on 56 references

Code:

Welsh,50.73,23.16,13.73,6.18,2.84,0.53,0.97,0.13,0.32,0.58,0.4,0.25,0.12

Code:

Distance to:	Welsh_new
1.16777566	English_North
1.41894327	English
1.43446854	English_Southwest
1.80471604	Irish_Leinster
1.81389085	English_Midlands
2.03091113	Scottish
2.13351822	English_Southeast
2.31540493	Orcadian
2.75708179	Irish
2.96179000	Irish_Munster
3.15515451	West_Scottish
3.34666999	Irish_Connacht
3.46518398	FRA_Armorica
3.49220561	Irish_Ulster
3.58647459	Welsh
3.87295753	Dutch
3.91019181	Dutch_Central
4.65565248	Dutch_North
5.88797079	Dutch_South
6.72390512	Denmark
6.72961366	North_German
6.83583938	Norwegian
7.33027967	Norway_South_Central
7.48069515	Sweden_Götaland
7.87005718	German_West

Code:

Distance to:	Welsh_current
3.71674589	Irish_Leinster
4.06948400	Irish_Ulster
4.11036495	Irish
4.24816431	English_Southwest
4.28102791	Irish_Munster
4.52616836	Scottish
4.54434814	English_North
4.64493272	Irish_Connacht
4.68580836	English
4.76270931	West_Scottish
4.91204642	English_Midlands
5.00208956	FRA_Armorica
5.02526616	Orcadian
5.09469332	English_Southeast
6.80593858	Dutch
6.85386023	Dutch_Central
7.45238888	Dutch_North
7.90129103	Dutch_South
8.97354445	Norwegian
9.04070241	Denmark
9.41244389	North_German
9.61026534	Norway_South_Central
9.71227059	Sweden_Götaland
9.92036290	German_West
11.09486368	Sweden_Svealand_West

K15 (one duplicate reference removed from the 57 I had)

Code:

Welsh,36.46,28.89,9.84,8.67,9.27,4.12,0.71,0.37,0.60,0.06,0.14,0.32,0.22,0.2,0.08

This just proves how incredibly mixed with each other are all the different populations of the British Isles, very-very low distances between them.

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