Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

[Lucas]

Please reduce the number of Macedonian and Balkan Turk averages, they shouldn't dominate the spreadsheet being small and insignificant populations. I can understand Turkey as a country of 83 million. But here we're talking about 1-2 million people only.

There were reduced already by Thracian but still too many. I think I will make reduced averages for them as no one wants.

[Leto]

Someone should make only a few averages for Macedonians (eg East, West, North, South) and Balkan Turks (eg 1 Turk_Bulgaria average instead of 4 Turk_Bulgaria averages). What about Greek averages (26, with national 27)? Any reason for such a high number? Italians due to the size of the country, individually established regions, and the population as well as regional peculiarities are fine, but what's the point of sub-regional Emilia_ovest, Emilia_est, Calabria_citra, Calabria_ultra?

It's great to keep sub-regional averages on the forum or some other spreadsheet as a piece of evidence for more detailed analysis and discussion, but on Vahaduo perhaps should only be general regional and national averages, not each island, village, city, partial region, and so on. Many of such averages are probably based on a very low number of samples which makes them biased as well.

Yep, absolutely right. What the hell does citra, ultra even mean? Calabria is Calabria, you can't cover every single town or village. There are clearly defined regions of Italy and Greece for example and that administrative division should be followed.

[Leto]

There were reduced already by Thracian but still too many. I think I will make reduced averages for them as no one wants.

North Macedonia doesn't even differ substantially by region. As Moro pointed out, one can use a separate, more detailed spreadsheet if some more specific details are needed but for general use those things are redundant.

Luke, please don't forget Pamiri_Tajikistan

[Dunai]

North Macedonia doesn't even differ substantially by region. As Moro pointed out, one can use a separate, more detailed spreadsheet if some more specific details are needed but for general use those things are redundant.

Luke, please don't forget Pamiri_Tajikistan

Basically this. I can understand that smaller countries also want to have many separate sub-divisions as they see among the larger countries, but when such sub-divisions aren't supported by visible genetic distances, than I believe it's more futile than helpful. I would even go as far as having one national average for small countries, max two regional ones and a national average.

[Jana]

Indeed Macedonians seem really homogenous genetically, I see basically no genetic difference between all these regions. Probably north and south and one general average would do.

[Leto]

Basically this. I can understand that smaller countries also want to have many separate sub-divisions as they see among the larger countries, but when such sub-divisions aren't supported by visible genetic distances, than I believe it's more futile than helpful. I would even go as far as having one national average for small countries, max two regional ones and a national average.

Correct. No matter how many obscure Italian averages have been added, tomorrow there will still be an Italian person who doesn't get a close distance either because they are an outlier or because their raw data is fucked up and low SNP. Point is you can't satisfy everyone.

[Jana]

There are also lot of Pomak averages, considering their population is only 1 million total, and half of them live in Turkey (I'd guess many adopted Turkish identity). In Balkans their numbers are very small.
Greek averages are gigantic, they also should be reduced.

[Leto]

There are also lot of Pomak averages, considering their population is only 1 million total, and half of them live in Turkey (I'd guess many adopted Turkish identity). In Balkans their numbers are very small.

Are they even a legit ethnic group? Those in Turkey are (being) Turkified and those in the homeland can pass as Bulgarian. I see no problem if an actual Pomak takes a test and comes up as Bulgarian on Gedmatch.

[Jana]

Are they even a legit ethnic group? Those in Turkey are (being) Turkified and those in the homeland can pass as Bulgarian. I see no problem if an actual Pomak takes a test and comes up as Bulgarian on Gedmatch.

They are like Bosniaks, have same origins as Christian Bulgarians but developed their own identity. It's legit IMO and should be respected. But Kaspias said many are getting Turkified indeed.
So many averages aren't needed for them because only part of total Pomak population which is small to begin with has Pomak identity and not Turkish for example.

[Kaspias]

Balkan Turks should be divided into three: Thrace, Deliorman, and Macedonia.
Pomaks should be divided into two: Greece, Bulgaria.

I can handle it next week.