Ukrainian academic regional k13 results - more than 100

[Leto]

There is a good academic data set from Kiev (and also from Minsk). Peterski and Lukasz have that data but I've not gotten it from them so far despite my repeated requests. Peterski only showed me their K15 which I don't really like.

Those with a sample size of over 10 would make good Dodecad averages unless they are calculator-affected.

[vbnetkhio]

This is my main takeaway from this data:


from this PCA I removed the regions which seemed to be outlying because of a low sample number.

Northern(Polesye) and Eastern Ukraine are very homogenous, and probably identical to proto-Slavs.
Southwestern Ukraine is pulled towards a mix of Hungarians and Romanians best represented by the Hungarian-Transylvania average.

It seems this admixture isn't just limited to the border areas, it spreads much deeper into the country than I thought.

Data is missing from the area between Moldova and Dnipropetrovsk.

[vbnetkhio]

My average of Moldovan Ukrainians (9 samples) from G25 is incredibly close to this new average.

yes, i noticed that too. that average plots in the center of the Ukrainian cluster.

[michal3141]

This is my main takeaway from this data:


from this PCA I removed the regions which seemed to be outlying because of a low sample number.

Northern(Polesye) and Eastern Ukraine are very homogenous, and probably identical to proto-Slavs.
Southwestern Ukraine is pulled towards a mix of Hungarians and Romanians best represented by the Hungarian-Transylvania average.

It seems this admixture isn't just limited to the border areas, it spreads much deeper into the country than I thought.

Data is missing from the area between Moldova and Dnipropetrovsk.

Very nice plot!
Could you please add me?
I am interested how I compare against Ukrainians because I am quite eastern shifted Pole according to many calculators.

michal3141,26.44,44.92,10.38,5.90,5.19,1.62,1.67,0.00,2.24,1.06,0.39,0.19,0.00

[Ion Basescul]

This is my main takeaway from this data:


from this PCA I removed the regions which seemed to be outlying because of a low sample number.

Northern(Polesye) and Eastern Ukraine are very homogenous, and probably identical to proto-Slavs.
Southwestern Ukraine is pulled towards a mix of Hungarians and Romanians best represented by the Hungarian-Transylvania average.

It seems this admixture isn't just limited to the border areas, it spreads much deeper into the country than I thought.

Data is missing from the area between Moldova and Dnipropetrovsk.

I think those are the old coordinates for Maramures, which had some Ukrainians. They should now be more Southern than the rest of those 3 coordinates for Romania and Moldova.
If you need the Ukrainians, these are the coords for:
Romania_Ukrainians (Suceava and Maramures)
Romania_Ukrainian,26.55,37.87,13.11,5.62,11.13,1.4 7,1.30,1.39,0.85,0.15,0.43,0.12,0.00
Moldova_Ukrainians (from ethnic Ukrainian villages in the North, Transnistria and some descendants of Soviet migrants)
Moldova_Ukrainian,26.96,42.56,11.24,6.26,7.97,0.53 ,0.82,0.51,1.35,0.67,0.27,0.50,0.37
If you need the Northernmost county average from Romania to replace the Maramures, then you can use Suceava. A lot of people there are mixes with minorities.
Romania_Moldavia_Suceava,25.54,32.09,14.29,8.38,13 .83,1.61,0.74,0.40,1.59,0.75,0.51,0.26,0.02

[vbnetkhio]

Notice the low West Med, and the high-ish West Asian. I think Caucasus admixture is what can pull an Ukrainian to score like this.



Distance: 3.4398% / 3.43975854
Target: o_Ukraine_Luhansk:Lugansk_EG600093
69.3 Ukraine_Donetska
30.7 Armenian
0.0 North_Ossetian
0.0 Ossetian

I very much doubt that a Serb village would have survived unadmixed there. We have stories and video documentaries about Moldovan villages and they are heavily admixed as stated from their own mouths.

Or, perhaps more likely, a half Ukrainian half Greek person. There's over 90K Greeks in Ukraine but only about 1K Serbs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks_in_Ukraine
Halfie would likely turn out kinda pseudo-Serb on GEDmatch.

they have stopped considering themselves Serbs after one generation, 200 years ago, but as you can see on the map on Wikipedia they settled a pretty compact area, so it's possible that in some village genetically Serb people just kept intermarrying even after losing the identity.

My second though is also that it's an Ukrainian with some kind of southern admixture. i'll upload the sample to gedmatch and check whom it matches.

It could be a Romanian/Moldavian too. They also settled in Slavo-Serbia alongside Serbs.

[Leto]

East Slavic quarter Jews would often score like Croats and Moldovans.

[vbnetkhio]

Very nice plot!
Could you please add me?
I am interested how I compare against Ukrainians because I am quite eastern shifted Pole according to many calculators.

michal3141,26.44,44.92,10.38,5.90,5.19,1.62,1.67,0.00,2.24,1.06,0.39,0.19,0.00

here:


yes, you are quite eastern shifted

[vbnetkhio]

There is a good academic data set from Kiev (and also from Minsk). Peterski and Lukasz have that data but I've not gotten it from them so far despite my repeated requests. Peterski only showed me their K15 which I don't really like.

Those with a sample size of over 10 would make good Dodecad averages unless they are calculator-affected.

i'm aware. we'll convince them to share the samples, they would greatly improve these averages.

[Alenka]

Notice the low West Med, and the high-ish West Asian. I think Caucasus admixture is what can pull an Ukrainian to score like this.



Distance: 3.4398% / 3.43975854
Target: o_Ukraine_Luhansk:Lugansk_EG600093
69.3 Ukraine_Donetska
30.7 Armenian
0.0 North_Ossetian
0.0 Ossetian

I very much doubt that a Serb village would have survived unadmixed there. We have stories and video documentaries about Moldovan villages and they are heavily admixed as stated from their own mouths.

This was the vahaduo result by keeping only the Ukrainian and Greek regions in source.
Seems in accordance with my theory, as most Greeks in Ukraine are of Pontic Greek ancestry.

Distance: 3.7429% / 3.74285116
Target: o_Ukraine_Luhansk:Lugansk_EG600093 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.4 Greek_Istanbul
48.0 Ukrainian_Belgorod
1.6 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk