Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 3

[Kyp]

So why did you call the Yezidi average just Yezidi ? and not Yezidi_Kurd as I see people making even averages like Altaien_Turk or calling Iranian Azeri averages, Iran_Azerbaijani?

And who made the Zaza average? If you guys meant it in the way to distinguish the Kurdish subgroups fine but why than call the Soran and Kurmanj averages Kurd in the naming?

I wasn't sure in what ways Yezidis identify as Kurds. It wasn't deliberate. The country would only be added if you seperate the averages for example Yezidis from Turkey and Yezidis from Iraq. That's why there is Azerbaijani and Azerbaijan_Turkey, Azerbaijani_Iran for example.

[Leto]

I wasn't sure in what ways Yezidis identify as Kurds. It wasn't deliberate. The country would only be added if you seperate the averages for example Yezidis from Turkey and Yezidis from Iraq. That's why there is Azerbaijani and Azerbaijan_Turkey, Azerbaijani_Iran for example.

Balanovsky has Yazidis from Armenia. Would be interesting to check them. The only notable minority in that incredibly homogeneous republic.

[Demhat]

I wasn't sure in what ways Yezidis identify as Kurds. It wasn't deliberate. The country would only be added if you seperate the averages for example Yezidis from Turkey and Yezidis from Iraq. That's why there is Azerbaijani and Azerbaijan_Turkey, Azerbaijani_Iran for example.

Azerbaijani would indicate coming from Azerbaijan. They are called Azeri in Iran. A few Yezidis or Zaza that identifiy as something else doesn't change the general view. As you also have some Kurmanji speakers who do so.

I also know a number of Azeris from Iran that identify as Persian so that is not really an argument my friend. Fixing it shouldn't be a hard task so?

[Kyp]

Azerbaijani would indicate coming from Azerbaijan. They are called Azeri in Iran. A few Yezidis or Zaza that identifiy as something else doesn't change the general view. As you also have some Kurmanji speakers who do so.

I also know a number of Azeris from Iran that identify as Persian so that is not really an argument my friend. Fixing it shouldn't be a hard task so?

Wrong, they were called "Tork" in Iran. Only since recently "Azeri" gets used. Also Azerbaijani doesn't indicate from Azerbaijan republic at all.

How about changing it yourself? I'm not some type of gatekeeper of the Dodecad spreadsheet.

[Demhat]

Wrong, they were called "Tork" in Iran. Only since recently "Azeri" gets used.

How about changing it yourself? I'm not some type of gatekeeper of the Dodecad spreadsheet.

What they are called is one thing what they call themselves is another. Also as I pointed out Azerbaijani indicates ancestry from Azerbaijan.

How can I change it myself? If the reference pops used in the calculator are named like this.

[Kyp]

What they are called is one thing what they call themselves is another. How can I change it myself?

They always called themselves "Turk" too as it's a linguistic classification primarily. Maybe since there is a country named Turkey this term gets avoided more to remain Iranian integrity.

PM @Lucas he manages the spreadsheets. But stick to academically established classifications.

[Demhat]

They always called themselves "Turk" too. Maybe since there is a country named Turkey this term gets avoided more to remain Iranian integrity.

PM @Lucas he manages the spreadsheets.

I don't know about that but since at least the Pahlavi Dynasty allot of them do consider themselves Persian. And the exact same argument can be used with the Yezidi and Zaza some few confused souls started doing so since the 80-90s but it didn't seem to hinder you to add them without the Kurd suffix.

Is it the same Lucas who is also active here on Apricity? But then aren't you the guy who added the references? So isn't it easier if you asked him to change the naming? Maybe he won't listen to me.

[Leto]

The Yazidis are a very closed community, they never mix with Muslims or Christians, be they Kurdish or non-Kurdish because if they do, they will be excluded from the community.

[Demhat]

The Yazidis are a very closed community, they never mix with Muslims or Christians, be they Kurdish or non-Kurdish because if they do, they will be excluded from the community.

Let Kyp answer for himself. That still doesn't change there ethnic origin does it? They are genetically, culturally, linguistically clearly Kurds. Amish people also don't mix or marry outside of their community that still doesn't make them anything else but White Americans. Your argument is invalid.

[Kyp]

I don't know about that but since at least the Pahlavi Dynasty allot of them do consider themselves Persian. And the exact same argument can be used with the Yezidi and Zaza some few confused souls started doing so since the 80-90s but it didn't seem to hinder you to add them without the Kurd suffix.

Is it the same Lucas who is also active here on Apricity? But then aren't you the guy who added the references? So isn't it easier if you asked him to change the naming? Maybe he won't listen to me.

Actually I mostly go with western academic classifcations. "Azerbaijani" is a recognized ethnicity nowadays. Everything else is political (to me personally). So I urge you to stick to estbalished academic facts to remain the universal character of the list. For example origin of Zazas is not 100% established as Kurdish, I would stick to "Zaza" in this case.
If I would ask my grandmother what ethnicity she is, she would answer "Turk" like 95% of old Azerbaijani people. Now this doesn't mean she doesn't consider herself Iranian too, have you understand? Saying Azerbaijanis are Persian is political in the same way like saying Azerbaijanis are not Iranian because they speak Turkish.

Yes the same Lucas. You can post your demands in this thread (like other members, not only me) or PM him

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ahaduo-ON-LINE