Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 3

[Leto]

@Demhat referring to yourself as Persian is just what you would do outside of Iran. Not even Persian-speakers refer to themselves as Persian in their own language. The binding identity is Iranian not Persian. Claiming Azerbaijanis identify as Persian is outright ridiculous. Now it doesn't mean that they don't identify as Iranian.

Have you ever heard the term "Man farsi'am"?

But this is what you as a Pan-Kurd wouldn't understand.

Do the Persians even exist in Iran? Or they are just Iranians?

[Kyp]

Do the Persians even exist in Iran? Or they are just Iranians?

It does exist, but it refers to linguistic background rather than ethnicity. Same as "tork" "kord" etc..

[Demhat]

@Demhat referring to yourself as Persian is just what you would do outside of Iran. Not even Persian-speakers refer to themselves as Persian in their own language. The binding identity is Iranian not Persian. Claiming Azerbaijanis identify as Persian is outright ridiculous. Now it doesn't mean that they don't identify as Iranian.

Have you ever heard the term "Man farsi'am"?

But this is what you as a Pan-Kurd wouldn't understand.

Man you are not even good at lying. You contradict yourself and your own arguments constantly.

If I speak to a Zaza or Yezidi they tell me too they are Yezidi or Zaza, in fact most of them don't even call themselves Zaza to begin with as I tried to explain it to your wannabe educated self. They call themselves mostly Kirmanj not even Zaza this alone goes against your "scientific" nonsense.

But to outsiders like 99% of them either introduce themselves as Kurd, or Turk/Iraqi (in the sense that they come from these countries or maybe even because of assimilation). But this is not exclusive to them but Kurds in general and it is rather a minority than the majority.

However coming from Iran but introducing yourself as Persian is on a entirely different level. Why would you introduce yourself as Persian and not Iranian? That is because they consider themselves as Persians and I made this experience.

There is not even a need for further discussion matter of fact is you are using double standards and make no fucking sense with your arguments. And I am sick of your bullshit. You can't have it both ways. If you go with self definition, there are much more Azeris that call themselves Persian than there are Yezidis/Zaza that consider themselves as seperate ethnicity. Yes they have a sense of being special cases but not seperate from the Kurdish cultural sphere.

Make out of this what you will but from now on I will not be sitting quietly next buy without exposing your nonsense.

[Kyp]

Man you are not even good at lying. You contradict yourself and your own arguments constantly.

If I speak to a Zaza or Yezidi they tell me too they are Yezidi or Zaza, in fact most of them don't even call themselves Zaza to begin with as I tried to explain it to your wannabe educated self. They call themselves mostly Kirmanj not even Zaza this alone goes against your "scientific" nonsense.

But to outsiders like 99% of them either introduce themselves as Kurd, or Turk/Iraqi (in the sense that they come from these countries or maybe even because of assimilation). But this is not exclusive to them but Kurds in general and it is rather a minority than the majority.

However coming from Iran but introducing yourself as Persian is on a entirely different level. Why would you introduce yourself as Persian and not Iranian? That is because they consider themselves as Persians and I made this experience.

There is not even a need for further discussion matter of fact is you are using double standards and make no fucking sense with your arguments. And I am sick of your bullshit. You can't have it both ways. If you go with self definition, there are much more Azeris that call themselves Persian than there are Yezidis/Zaza that consider themselves as seperate ethnicity. Yes they have a sense of being special cases but not seperate from the Kurdish cultural sphere.

Make out of this what you will but from now on I will not be sitting quietly next buy without exposing your nonsense.

All of this just because I called the average "Yazidi" and not "Kurd_Yazidi" without thinking about it...

here an explanation: if an ethnicity exists outside of Iran, I will put the Ethnicity first and not second to keep it more clean.

Examples:
"Azerbaijani_Iran"
"Turkmen_Iran"
"Turkmen_Afghanistan"
"Kurd_Iran"
"Talysh_Azerbaijan"
"Talysh_Iran"

If the ethnicity is a group that only exists inside of Iran I will use:
"Iran_Lur"
"Iran_Mazandarani"
"Iran_Gilaki" etc..

Zero political agenda behind it. Stop acting so butthurt.

[Demhat]

Stop flip flopping with your arguments

1. You say Yezidi and Zaza are not 100% proven Kurd because there are some that consider themselves differently? Guess what There are allot of Azeris that do consider themselves as Persian. And even less Azeris that would call themselves Azerbaijani.

2. You say historic definition is important? Fine historically these groups are clearly mentioned in the Kurdish ethno-cultural sphere and as Kurds.

You can't have it both ways so decide. Anything else makes you just look like a deceiving liar.

[Demhat]

All of this just because I called the average "Yazidi" and not "Kurd_Yazidi" without thinking about it...

here an explanation: if an ethnicity exists outside of Iran, I will put the Ethnicity first and not second to keep it more clean.

Examples:
"Azerbaijani_Iran"
"Turkmen_Iran"
"Kurd_Iran"
"Talysh_Azerbaijan"
"Talysh_Iran"

If the ethnicity is a group that only exists inside of Iran I will use:
"Iran_Lur"
"Iran_Mazandarani"
"Iran_Gilaki" etc..

Zero political agenda behind it. Stop acting so butthurt.

Your political agenda is widely visible the moment your start typing or open your mouth.

Azerbaijani is a term used to refer to citizens of the Azerbaijani state. Kurmanji is a linguistic definition. Yezidis speak Kurmanji you uneducated fool. By the fact that you differentiate with Kurd_ Kurmanji and Yezidi you are indirectly implying that A: they are different thing to Kurmanjis and B: they are not Kurds. Which both make scientificly zero sense.

By having Kurmanji and Sorani averages and calling them with the suffix Kurd you are implying that Zaza and Yezidis are not.

[Demhat]

All of this just because I called the average "Yazidi" and not "Kurd_Yazidi" without thinking about it...

For someone who was simply not thinking about it you take allot of time to defend that decision

Makes me wonder why Balkar, Karachay and Kumyk are just labeled as such and not with the Russia suffix since they only live there. Is it maybe because they are Turkic ethnicities and you saw it as important to distinguish them?

My whole point is if you do not want to appear political. A: you either take the Kurd suffix out of Kurmanji and Sorani or B: you put that suffix infront of Yezidi and Zaza. Otherwise you are implying that Yezidis are not Kurmanji speakers and Yezidis and Zaza are different from Kurds. Which is both a political statement. And the fact you took so much time defending your decisions make me highly doubt," you just didn't thought about it".

[Kyp]

Your political agenda is widely visible the moment your start typing or open your mouth.

Azerbaijani is a term used to refer to citizens of the Azerbaijani state. Kurmanji is a linguistic definition. Yezidis speak Kurmanji you uneducated fool. By the fact that you differentiate with Kurd_ Kurmanji and Yezidi you are indirectly implying that A: they are different thing to Kurmanjis and B: they are not Kurds. Which both make scientificly zero sense.

By having Kurmanji and Sorani averages and calling them with the suffix Kurd you are implying that Zaza and Yezidis are not.

Please stop with your BS. Azerbaijan is an Iranian province. The term "Azeri" is used only since the Pahlavis.
Here translated from the Iranian wikipedia site:



"Azerbaijanis are generally known as "Azerbaijani Turks" (Azerbaijani: Azربrbaycan Türkləri). [43] [44] and are predominantly Shiite Muslims ."

Meanwhile Zaza-Gorani isn't even classified as a Kurdish language.

[Demhat]

Please stop with your BS. Azerbaijan is an Iranian province. The term "Azeri" is used only since the Pahlavis.
Here translated from the Iranian wikipedia site:



Meanwhile Zaza-Gorani isn't even classified as a Kurdish language.

Stop clowning around. like 20-30% of Azeris live outside of the two provinces named Azerbaijan. You know that, yet you include Azeri samples from Qazvin or Qom in your Azerbaijani_Iran averages.

The classification of Zaza_Gorani linguistically as non "Kurdish" (which here is just used as synonym for Kurmanji not even Sorani) is not a widely accepted fact but allot of modern linguists have a different opinion on that.
Also nice that you quote the most "scientific" source (Wikipedia) here.

+ linguistics is not the primary or only factor for the definition of an ethnicity.

Ethnic group, a social group or category of the population that, in a larger society, is set apart and bound together by common ties of race, language, nationality, or culture.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/ethnic-group

The more you type the more you reveal yourself as the biased fool your are.

And I repeat
For someone who was simply not thinking about it you take allot of time to defend that decision

It's good that you stop flip flopping around and started to show your real beta cuck face.

[Kyp]

For someone who was simply not thinking about it you take allot of time to defend that decision

Makes me wonder why Balkar, Karachay and Kumyk are just labeled as such and not with the Russia suffix since they only live there. Is it maybe because they are Turkic ethnicities and you saw it as important to distinguish them?

My whole point is if you do not want to appear political. A: you either take the Kurd suffix out of Kurmanji and Sorani or B: you put that suffix infront of Yezidi and Zaza. Otherwise you are implying that Yezidis are not Kurmanji speakers and Yezidis and Zaza are different from Kurds. Which is both a political statement. And the fact you took so much time defending your decisions make me highly doubt," you just didn't thought about it".

wtf I didn't made any of these averages. It's getting ridiculous now.