Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 3

**Leto** · 01-16-2021, 04:02 PM

These are presumably Gujarati Indians (you can find more among their matches) but I cannot confirm it. They all score similarly even though some appear to be Muslim and some Hindu.

A654215
A263602
GD8450064
A597803
ND3169486
NQ1666359
M053206
NV1638903
M828190
M617412
M872584
ZK9055446
M910104
M446316

A lot of South Asian references look off but there is no way I can update them. Lukasz has refused to delete the exotic pops with 1-4 samples from the spreadsheet.

**Dr_Maul** · 01-16-2021, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

These are presumably Gujarati Indians (you can find more among their matches) but I cannot confirm it. They all score similarly even though some appear to be Muslim and some Hindu.

A654215
A263602
GD8450064
A597803
ND3169486
NQ1666359
M053206
NV1638903
M828190
M617412
M872584
ZK9055446
M910104
M446316

A lot of South Asian references look off but there is no way I can update them. Lukasz has refused to delete the exotic pops with 1-4 samples from the spreadsheet.

Splitting by caste or regional-caste naming on the samples is also something which would be useful but unlikely to occur in the recent future

**Leto** · 01-16-2021, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

Splitting by caste or regional-caste naming on the samples is also something which would be useful but unlikely to occur in the recent future

True but I can't possibly do that. An actual Indian should take on that task. I asked Thambi if he can update the Punjabi Jatt reference which also seems off.

**Leto** · 01-16-2021, 04:40 PM

Some mixed person, father is like those presumable Gujaratis while mother is some kind of Russian but with elevated Siberian (either part Tatar or Uralic of some sort)

G-Z30503
Z1a1

Gedrosia 22.19 Pct
Siberian 6.47 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 10.12 Pct
North_European 31.16 Pct
South_Asian 12.75 Pct
East_African 0.61 Pct
Southwest_Asian 2.43 Pct
East_Asian 1.53 Pct
Caucasus 12.74 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

2-way oracle

Distance to: Shyama
2.21761456 50.20% Pashtun_Uthmankhel + 49.80% Tatar_Mishar
2.35140863 48.00% Pashtun_Yusafzai + 52.00% Tatar_Mishar
2.70202576 49.60% Pashtun_Tarkalani + 50.40% Tatar_Mishar
2.84731246 55.00% Pashtun_Yusafzai + 45.00% Russian_Ural
2.95049461 57.20% Pashtun_Uthmankhel + 42.80% Russian_Ural
3.13413472 37.20% Karelian + 62.80% Tajik_Kabul
3.18970923 47.00% Nuristani + 53.00% Tatar_Mishar
3.20466351 43.80% PAK_Kohistani + 56.20% Tatar_Mishar
3.22056373 48.00% Kalash + 52.00% Tatar_Mishar
3.24895773 51.00% Kho + 49.00% Tatar_Mishar

reduced to three populations, I clicked four times and each time got different results

Target: Shyama
Distance: 1.4902% / 1.49015300 | R3P
53.8 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
31.0 Komi
15.2 Hungarians

Target: Shyama
Distance: 1.0474% / 1.04735594 | R3P
49.0 Pashtun_Yusafzai
26.0 Slovak
25.0 Udmurt

Target: Shyama
Distance: 1.0726% / 1.07259540 | R3P
55.9 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
38.2 Russian_Smolensk
5.9 Yukagir

Target: Shyama
Distance: 1.2140% / 1.21398017 | R3P
52.7 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
25.9 Slovak
21.4 Mari

**Kyp** · 01-16-2021, 07:16 PM

My fathers two-way:

2.15892981 52.00% Hemshin + 48.00% Tajik_Mountain
2.49257416 27.60% Nogai + 72.40% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.54617945 51.40% Laz + 48.60% Tajik_Mountain
2.57122504 47.80% Turk_Ahiska + 52.20% Turkmen_TM
2.81986360 45.20% Tajik_Lowland + 54.80% Turk_East_Black_Sea
2.83285816 41.00% Tajik_Mountain + 59.00% Turk_Ahiska
2.85300755 52.80% Hemshin + 47.20% Tajik_Lowland
2.89600678 46.00% Tajik_Mountain + 54.00% Turk_East_Black_Sea
3.03687982 49.00% Circassian + 51.00% Iranian_Fars
3.04747536 45.40% Georgian + 54.60% Turkmen_TM
3.16446283 50.00% Abazin + 50.00% Iranian_Fars
3.18855340 69.00% Kurd_Adygea + 31.00% Nogai
3.22171790 52.40% Greek_Pontus + 47.60% Tajik_Lowland
3.29440412 52.40% Laz + 47.60% Tajik_Lowland
3.34107287 40.20% Laz + 59.80% Turkmen_TM
3.34267027 38.00% Turkmen_Iran + 62.00% Udi_Azerbaijan
3.34550104 50.60% Iranian_Fars + 49.40% Karachay
3.35153717 50.80% Georgian_Adjara + 49.20% Tajik_Mountain
3.39102112 51.60% Greek_Pontus + 48.40% Tajik_Mountain
3.39641085 41.40% Turkmen_TM + 58.60% Udi_Azerbaijan
3.41643109 63.40% Lur_Iran + 36.60% Nogai
3.41745806 40.80% Hemshin + 59.20% Turkmen_TM
3.42859420 51.40% Turk_Ahiska + 48.60% Turkmen_Iran
3.48454133 59.80% Armenian_East + 40.20% Tajik_Lowland
3.50169135 51.20% Georgian_Turkey + 48.80% Tajik_Mountain

**Leto** · 01-16-2021, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Kyp

My fathers two-way:

He gets modeled as quarter Karachay now

(I only have the original coordinates)

Target: Kyp_father
Distance: 2.1842% / 2.18418553 | ADC: 0.5x RC
43.2 Iran_Khorasan
25.0 Azerbaijani_Turkey
24.3 Karachay
7.5 Turkmen_TM

**Thracian** · 01-16-2021, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Kyp

My fathers two-way:

2.15892981 52.00% Hemshin + 48.00% Tajik_Mountain
2.49257416 27.60% Nogai + 72.40% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.54617945 51.40% Laz + 48.60% Tajik_Mountain
2.57122504 47.80% Turk_Ahiska + 52.20% Turkmen_TM
2.81986360 45.20% Tajik_Lowland + 54.80% Turk_East_Black_Sea
2.83285816 41.00% Tajik_Mountain + 59.00% Turk_Ahiska
2.85300755 52.80% Hemshin + 47.20% Tajik_Lowland
2.89600678 46.00% Tajik_Mountain + 54.00% Turk_East_Black_Sea
3.03687982 49.00% Circassian + 51.00% Iranian_Fars
3.04747536 45.40% Georgian + 54.60% Turkmen_TM
3.16446283 50.00% Abazin + 50.00% Iranian_Fars
3.18855340 69.00% Kurd_Adygea + 31.00% Nogai
3.22171790 52.40% Greek_Pontus + 47.60% Tajik_Lowland
3.29440412 52.40% Laz + 47.60% Tajik_Lowland
3.34107287 40.20% Laz + 59.80% Turkmen_TM
3.34267027 38.00% Turkmen_Iran + 62.00% Udi_Azerbaijan
3.34550104 50.60% Iranian_Fars + 49.40% Karachay
3.35153717 50.80% Georgian_Adjara + 49.20% Tajik_Mountain
3.39102112 51.60% Greek_Pontus + 48.40% Tajik_Mountain
3.39641085 41.40% Turkmen_TM + 58.60% Udi_Azerbaijan
3.41643109 63.40% Lur_Iran + 36.60% Nogai
3.41745806 40.80% Hemshin + 59.20% Turkmen_TM
3.42859420 51.40% Turk_Ahiska + 48.60% Turkmen_Iran
3.48454133 59.80% Armenian_East + 40.20% Tajik_Lowland
3.50169135 51.20% Georgian_Turkey + 48.80% Tajik_Mountain

Why does he get too much Tajik? I also get dozens of them for k12b's 2 way . Do you think they can be a proxy for Turko-Iranic mixture?

**Kyp** · 01-16-2021, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by Thracian

Why does he get too much Tajik? I also get dozens of them for k12b's 2 way . Do you think they can be a proxy for Turko-Iranic mixture?

yes basically. It's convienience for the algorythm.

**Kaazi** · 01-17-2021, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Some mixed person, father is like those presumable Gujaratis while mother is some kind of Russian but with elevated Siberian (either part Tatar or Uralic of some sort)

G-Z30503
Z1a1

Gedrosia 22.19 Pct
Siberian 6.47 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 10.12 Pct
North_European 31.16 Pct
South_Asian 12.75 Pct
East_African 0.61 Pct
Southwest_Asian 2.43 Pct
East_Asian 1.53 Pct
Caucasus 12.74 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

2-way oracle

Distance to: Shyama
2.21761456 50.20% Pashtun_Uthmankhel + 49.80% Tatar_Mishar
2.35140863 48.00% Pashtun_Yusafzai + 52.00% Tatar_Mishar
2.70202576 49.60% Pashtun_Tarkalani + 50.40% Tatar_Mishar
2.84731246 55.00% Pashtun_Yusafzai + 45.00% Russian_Ural
2.95049461 57.20% Pashtun_Uthmankhel + 42.80% Russian_Ural
3.13413472 37.20% Karelian + 62.80% Tajik_Kabul
3.18970923 47.00% Nuristani + 53.00% Tatar_Mishar
3.20466351 43.80% PAK_Kohistani + 56.20% Tatar_Mishar
3.22056373 48.00% Kalash + 52.00% Tatar_Mishar
3.24895773 51.00% Kho + 49.00% Tatar_Mishar

reduced to three populations, I clicked four times and each time got different results

Target: Shyama
Distance: 1.4902% / 1.49015300 | R3P
53.8 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
31.0 Komi
15.2 Hungarians

Target: Shyama
Distance: 1.0474% / 1.04735594 | R3P
49.0 Pashtun_Yusafzai
26.0 Slovak
25.0 Udmurt

Target: Shyama
Distance: 1.0726% / 1.07259540 | R3P
55.9 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
38.2 Russian_Smolensk
5.9 Yukagir

Target: Shyama
Distance: 1.2140% / 1.21398017 | R3P
52.7 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
25.9 Slovak
21.4 Mari

Isn't his Gujarati father scoring like Pashtuns too much?

Bro, can you tell me what's this half Bahun/Brahmin - half white guy's maternal side looks like? Is this guy half Irish?

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 28.85
2 Gedrosia 22.88
3 Atlantic_Med 20.46
4 South_Asian 18.29
5 Caucasus 4.53
6 East_Asian 1.86
7 Siberian 1.74
8 Southeast_Asian 0.85
9 Sub_Saharan 0.53

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 27.24
2 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 30.26
3 German (Dodecad) 31.5
4 Dutch (Dodecad) 31.51
5 Pathan (HGDP) 31.7
6 Argyll (1000Genomes) 31.7
7 Jatt (Dodecad) 31.7
8 Kent (1000Genomes) 32.09
9 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 32.14
10 French (Dodecad) 32.2
11 English (Dodecad) 32.2
12 Burusho (HGDP) 32.4
13 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 32.65
14 French (HGDP) 32.69
15 Hungarians (Behar) 32.69
16 British (Dodecad) 32.84
17 Orcadian (HGDP) 32.91
18 Irish (Dodecad) 32.92
19 Orkney (1000Genomes) 32.97
20 British_Isles (Dodecad) 33.54

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 46% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 3.48
2 57.2% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 42.8% Kshatriya (Metspalu) @ 3.92
3 53% Dutch (Dodecad) + 47% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 3.92
4 59.3% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 40.7% Indian (Dodecad) @ 4.09
5 58.9% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 41.1% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) @ 4.11
6 57.9% Dutch (Dodecad) + 42.1% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) @ 4.28
7 58.3% Dutch (Dodecad) + 41.7% Indian (Dodecad) @ 4.31
8 52.5% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 47.5% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 4.33
9 52.5% Kent (1000Genomes) + 47.5% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 4.34
10 56.2% Dutch (Dodecad) + 43.8% Kshatriya (Metspalu) @ 4.35
11 52.5% English (Dodecad) + 47.5% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 4.38
12 60.1% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 39.9% Iyengar (Dodecad) @ 4.48
13 58.5% German (Dodecad) + 41.5% Iyer (Dodecad) @ 4.74
14 58.3% German (Dodecad) + 41.7% Indian (Dodecad) @ 4.78
15 57.9% German (Dodecad) + 42.1% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) @ 4.8
16 59.5% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 40.5% Iyer (Dodecad) @ 4.85
17 51.4% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 48.6% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 4.89
18 52.9% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 47.1% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 4.97
19 61.9% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 38.1% GIH30 (Dodecad) @ 4.99
20 59.1% Dutch (Dodecad) + 40.9% Iyengar (Dodecad) @ 4.99

Code:

Adhikari,22.88,1.74,0.00,0.85,20.46,28.85,18.29,0.00,0.00,1.86,4.53,0.53

Target: Adhikari
Distance: 1.5745% / 1.57449647 | R2P
51.4 Nepali_Khas_Brahmin
48.6 Irish

Target: Adhikari
Distance: 1.3047% / 1.30469707 | R3P
49.8 Irish
42.9 Nepali_Khas_Brahmin
7.3 Meena

Target: Adhikari
Distance: 0.7933% / 0.79330706 | R4P
47.9 Irish
34.0 Nepali_Khas_Brahmin
13.9 Meena
4.2 Udmurt

**Leto** · 01-17-2021, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Kaazi

Isn't his Gujarati father scoring like Pashtuns too much?

Bro, can you tell me what's this half Bahun/Brahmin - half white guy's maternal side looks like? Is this guy half Irish?

His father is not Pashtun though, a clearly Indian name. He is on Gedmatch too, mother is not.

Yeah, that half Nepali guy seems to be either half Irish or just white American which is typically a Northwestern European mix of some sort. British people all score similarly.