Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

[Thracian]

Can you replace these with current ones in K12b?

Turk_Trakya,8.52,3.86,1.04,0.35,20.84,25.50,0.88,0.08,7.89,3.14,27.84,0.03
Turk_Deliorman,8.13,3.06,0.62,0.70,21.61,28.73,0.95,0.07,7.01,2.59,26.50,0.06
Turk_Makedonya,6.75,1.77,0.95,0.41,23.78,27.03,0.55,0.22,8.07,1.16,29.17,0.11

I added like 10 more samples for each.

My distances to all of them are more or less the same. However, I get very different results with updated samples. What about you?

[Leto]

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[Kaspias]

My distances to all of them are more or less the same. However, I get very different results with updated samples. What about you?

Well pretty much the same. I model like a Uralic shifted Balkan Turk as it was

Distance to:	Kaspias
1.21207480	53.60% Greek_Crete + 46.40% Tatar_Kazan
1.30607742	44.80% Greek_Cypriot + 55.20% Tatar_Mishar
1.44546937	49.80% Greek_Kos + 50.20% Tatar_Kazan
1.64616721	48.60% Greek_Rhodes + 51.40% Tatar_Kazan
1.66313885	54.20% Greek_Fournoi + 45.80% Tatar_Kazan
1.73183736	50.60% Tatar_Mishar + 49.40% Turk_Cyprus
2.21720004	10.00% Udmurt + 90.00% Turk_Trakya_updated
2.23208518	40.60% Besermyan_Udmurtia + 59.40% Greek_Fournoi
2.23606228	9.60% Mari + 90.40% Turk_Trakya_updated
2.24427097	38.20% Bashkir_North + 61.80% Greek_Lemnos
2.27951314	8.00% Tatar_Zabolotniye + 92.00% Turk_Trakya_updated
2.28379263	12.20% Bashkir_Central + 87.80% Turk_Trakya_updated
2.29677893	8.00% Tatar_Zabolotniye + 92.00% Turk_Trakya
2.30083729	55.00% Greek_Izmir + 45.00% Tatar_Kazan
2.32509053	11.20% Besermyan_Udmurtia + 88.80% Turk_Trakya_updated
2.34753660	12.40% Bashkir_North + 87.60% Turk_Trakya_updated
2.34877354	34.00% Chuvash + 66.00% Greek_Lemnos
2.36817183	12.20% Bashkir_Central + 87.80% Turk_Trakya
2.37730591	39.40% Chuvash + 60.60% Greek_Fournoi
2.39062754	90.20% Turk_Trakya + 9.80% Udmurt
2.39569113	51.60% Greek_Kos + 48.40% Tatar_Mishar
2.39678532	9.40% Mari + 90.60% Turk_Trakya
2.40138000	10.40% Chuvash + 89.60% Turk_Trakya_updated
2.44226091	50.40% Greek_Rhodes + 49.60% Tatar_Mishar
2.48107623	12.20% Bashkir_North + 87.80% Turk_Trakya

The update is actually important for Makedonya. Its sample size was 16, now it is 25.

[Leto]

My brother-in-law's Dodecad, very cool (he doesn't know much about Gedmatch himself but appreciated his FTDNA and other things I showed him)

Distance to: VSh
3.90639220 Russian_Ryazan
4.39531569 Russian_Tver
4.52097335 Russian_Oryol
4.73015856 Russian_Smolensk
4.77509162 Mordovian
4.85310210 Russian_Kostroma
4.94989899 Belarus_Minsk
5.05564041 Belorussian
5.11348218 Russian_Kursk
5.22888133 PL_Warmia-Masuria

Target: VSh
Distance: 0.7898% / 0.78983592 | ADC: 0.5x RC
45.7 PL_Warmia-Masuria
27.8 Mordovian
26.5 Russian_Kostroma

Target: VSh
Distance: 0.9990% / 0.99896095 | R2P
58.3 Sorb_Lusatia
41.7 Russian_Arkhangelsk

Distance to: VSh
0.99910165 41.60% Russian_Arkhangelsk + 58.40% Sorb_Lusatia
1.00865029 59.40% PL_Warmia-Masuria + 40.60% Russian_Ural
1.27025281 52.40% Mordovian + 47.60% PL_Warmia-Masuria
1.28536687 60.00% Russian_Kostroma + 40.00% Sorb_Lusatia
1.30518462 48.00% PL_Warmia-Masuria + 52.00% Russian_Kostroma
1.53705278 25.00% German + 75.00% Russian_Kostroma
1.63738296 62.80% North_Russian + 37.20% Slovak
1.64429682 49.40% Karelian + 50.60% Slovak
1.64535076 20.80% German_Northwest + 79.20% Russian_Kostroma
1.71429960 60.80% Sorb_Lusatia + 39.20% Veps
1.73611981 21.40% Danish + 78.60% Russian_Kostroma
1.75086578 76.20% Russian_Kostroma + 23.80% Swedish
1.76839242 55.00% North_Russian + 45.00% Sorb_Lusatia
1.82185925 19.80% Icelandic + 80.20% Russian_Kostroma
1.83102386 58.00% Polish_mixed + 42.00% Russian_Ural
1.84326977 17.00% Mixed_NW_Euro + 83.00% Russian_Kostroma
1.89993980 17.20% English_North + 82.80% Russian_Kostroma
1.91310808 83.00% Russian_Kostroma + 17.00% Scottish
1.91778092 52.60% Slovak + 47.40% Veps
1.93368143 66.80% PL_Warmia-Masuria + 33.20% Russian_Arkhangelsk

[Thracian]

Well pretty much the same. I model like a Uralic shifted Balkan Turk as it was

Distance to:	Kaspias
1.21207480	53.60% Greek_Crete + 46.40% Tatar_Kazan
1.30607742	44.80% Greek_Cypriot + 55.20% Tatar_Mishar
1.44546937	49.80% Greek_Kos + 50.20% Tatar_Kazan
1.64616721	48.60% Greek_Rhodes + 51.40% Tatar_Kazan
1.66313885	54.20% Greek_Fournoi + 45.80% Tatar_Kazan
1.73183736	50.60% Tatar_Mishar + 49.40% Turk_Cyprus
2.21720004	10.00% Udmurt + 90.00% Turk_Trakya_updated
2.23208518	40.60% Besermyan_Udmurtia + 59.40% Greek_Fournoi
2.23606228	9.60% Mari + 90.40% Turk_Trakya_updated
2.24427097	38.20% Bashkir_North + 61.80% Greek_Lemnos
2.27951314	8.00% Tatar_Zabolotniye + 92.00% Turk_Trakya_updated
2.28379263	12.20% Bashkir_Central + 87.80% Turk_Trakya_updated
2.29677893	8.00% Tatar_Zabolotniye + 92.00% Turk_Trakya
2.30083729	55.00% Greek_Izmir + 45.00% Tatar_Kazan
2.32509053	11.20% Besermyan_Udmurtia + 88.80% Turk_Trakya_updated
2.34753660	12.40% Bashkir_North + 87.60% Turk_Trakya_updated
2.34877354	34.00% Chuvash + 66.00% Greek_Lemnos
2.36817183	12.20% Bashkir_Central + 87.80% Turk_Trakya
2.37730591	39.40% Chuvash + 60.60% Greek_Fournoi
2.39062754	90.20% Turk_Trakya + 9.80% Udmurt
2.39569113	51.60% Greek_Kos + 48.40% Tatar_Mishar
2.39678532	9.40% Mari + 90.60% Turk_Trakya
2.40138000	10.40% Chuvash + 89.60% Turk_Trakya_updated
2.44226091	50.40% Greek_Rhodes + 49.60% Tatar_Mishar
2.48107623	12.20% Bashkir_North + 87.80% Turk_Trakya

The update is actually important for Makedonya. Its sample size was 16, now it is 25.

My 2 ways are also almost the same, small differences.

Spoiler!

Old

Distance to:	Thracian
2.18427346	76.00% Albanian_Kosovo + 24.00% Turkmen_TM
2.40043088	89.00% Turk_Makedonya + 11.00% Iran_Bandari
2.53460448	80.40% Greek_Thessaly + 19.60% Turkmen_TM
2.72298562	81.40% Albanian_Kosovo + 18.60% Iran_Bandari
2.72363496	76.80% Albanian_Kosovo + 23.20% Iran_Khorasan
2.75209623	86.40% Turk_Makedonya + 13.60% Iran_Khorasan
2.89429251	81.00% Greek_Thrace + 19.00% Turkmen_TM
2.93977197	87.60% Turk_Makedonya + 12.40% Iranian_Fars
2.96221673	85.20% Greek_Thessaly + 14.80% Iran_Bandari
2.99737830	83.80% Bulgarian_Thrace + 16.20% Turkmen_TM
3.01352802	87.60% Bulgarian_Thrace + 12.40% Iran_Bandari
3.09754050	80.20% Greek_Thessaly + 19.80% Turkmen_Iran
3.15081931	75.60% Albanian_Kosovo + 24.40% Turkmen_Iran
3.19224006	86.80% Turk_Makedonya + 13.20% Turkmen_TM
3.21357201	88.80% Turk_Makedonya + 11.20% Lur_Iran
3.23484237	89.80% Turk_Makedonya + 10.20% Iran_Mazandaran
3.27516772	87.60% Turk_Makedonya + 12.40% Yazidi
3.29608075	88.80% Turk_Makedonya + 11.20% Iranian
3.30877098	80.80% Greek_Thrace + 19.20% Turkmen_Iran
3.33546086	85.80% Greek_Thrace + 14.20% Iran_Bandari
3.34304763	81.60% Greek_Thessaly + 18.40% Iran_Khorasan
3.34590350	84.80% Bulgarian_Thrace + 15.20% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
3.37457676	83.80% Bulgarian_Thrace + 16.20% Turkmen_Iran
3.40343003	88.00% Turk_Makedonya + 12.00% Kurd_Sorani
3.41698432	84.80% Bulgarian_Thrace + 15.20% Iran_Khorasan

New

Distance to:	Thracian
2.18427346	76.00% Albanian_Kosovo + 24.00% Turkmen_TM
2.53460448	80.40% Greek_Thessaly + 19.60% Turkmen_TM
2.72298562	81.40% Albanian_Kosovo + 18.60% Iran_Bandari
2.72363496	76.80% Albanian_Kosovo + 23.20% Iran_Khorasan
2.89429251	81.00% Greek_Thrace + 19.00% Turkmen_TM
2.96221673	85.20% Greek_Thessaly + 14.80% Iran_Bandari
2.99737830	83.80% Bulgarian_Thrace + 16.20% Turkmen_TM
3.01352802	87.60% Bulgarian_Thrace + 12.40% Iran_Bandari
3.06816400	89.20% Turk_Makedonya + 10.80% Iran_Bandari
3.09754050	80.20% Greek_Thessaly + 19.80% Turkmen_Iran
3.15081931	75.60% Albanian_Kosovo + 24.40% Turkmen_Iran
3.30877098	80.80% Greek_Thrace + 19.20% Turkmen_Iran
3.33546086	85.80% Greek_Thrace + 14.20% Iran_Bandari
3.34304763	81.60% Greek_Thessaly + 18.40% Iran_Khorasan
3.34590350	84.80% Bulgarian_Thrace + 15.20% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
3.37457676	83.80% Bulgarian_Thrace + 16.20% Turkmen_Iran
3.41659903	86.60% Turk_Makedonya + 13.40% Iran_Khorasan
3.41698432	84.80% Bulgarian_Thrace + 15.20% Iran_Khorasan
3.43430500	82.20% Greek_Thrace + 17.80% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
3.44435856	81.80% Greek_Thessaly + 18.20% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
3.45227559	78.60% Albanian_Kosovo + 21.40% Iranian_Fars
3.54263277	87.80% Turk_Makedonya + 12.20% Iranian_Fars
3.55383198	61.00% Turk_Deliorman + 39.00% Greek_Lemnos
3.60137024	20.80% Iraq_Turkmen + 79.20% MD_Gagauz
3.64479659	80.40% Greek_Thessaloniki + 19.60% Turkmen_TM

I had to run with smaller sample size because my computer's CPU fan is like a helicopter nowadays. So, I removed many samples, especially Tajiks, because my 2-way oracles were full of them. Yet, I kept all Turks, Turkmens etc... The difference for me when I run the nMonte. Your statement makes sense, I used to have more Makedonya but it became less. Anyway, you are really doing great job!

Spoiler!

Old

Target: Thracian
Distance: 1.5088% / 1.50880049 | ADC: 0.25x
58.1	Turk_Makedonya
16.1	Turk_Trakya
8.7	Italian_Lazio
5.2	Italian_Marche
5.0	Balochi
3.8	Greek_Central
2.5	Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
0.6	Cochin_Jews

New

Target: Thracian
Distance: 1.6179% / 1.61793669 | ADC: 0.25x
30.3	Turk_Trakya
23.4	Greek_Thrace
22.9	Turk_Makedonya
14.8	Italian_Lazio
3.2	Balochi
3.2	Pashtun_Uthmankhel
1.5	Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
0.5	Greek_Peloponnese
0.2	Cambodians

[Kaspias]

My 2 ways are also almost the same, small differences.

Spoiler!

Old

Distance to:	Thracian
2.18427346	76.00% Albanian_Kosovo + 24.00% Turkmen_TM
2.40043088	89.00% Turk_Makedonya + 11.00% Iran_Bandari
2.53460448	80.40% Greek_Thessaly + 19.60% Turkmen_TM
2.72298562	81.40% Albanian_Kosovo + 18.60% Iran_Bandari
2.72363496	76.80% Albanian_Kosovo + 23.20% Iran_Khorasan
2.75209623	86.40% Turk_Makedonya + 13.60% Iran_Khorasan
2.89429251	81.00% Greek_Thrace + 19.00% Turkmen_TM
2.93977197	87.60% Turk_Makedonya + 12.40% Iranian_Fars
2.96221673	85.20% Greek_Thessaly + 14.80% Iran_Bandari
2.99737830	83.80% Bulgarian_Thrace + 16.20% Turkmen_TM
3.01352802	87.60% Bulgarian_Thrace + 12.40% Iran_Bandari
3.09754050	80.20% Greek_Thessaly + 19.80% Turkmen_Iran
3.15081931	75.60% Albanian_Kosovo + 24.40% Turkmen_Iran
3.19224006	86.80% Turk_Makedonya + 13.20% Turkmen_TM
3.21357201	88.80% Turk_Makedonya + 11.20% Lur_Iran
3.23484237	89.80% Turk_Makedonya + 10.20% Iran_Mazandaran
3.27516772	87.60% Turk_Makedonya + 12.40% Yazidi
3.29608075	88.80% Turk_Makedonya + 11.20% Iranian
3.30877098	80.80% Greek_Thrace + 19.20% Turkmen_Iran
3.33546086	85.80% Greek_Thrace + 14.20% Iran_Bandari
3.34304763	81.60% Greek_Thessaly + 18.40% Iran_Khorasan
3.34590350	84.80% Bulgarian_Thrace + 15.20% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
3.37457676	83.80% Bulgarian_Thrace + 16.20% Turkmen_Iran
3.40343003	88.00% Turk_Makedonya + 12.00% Kurd_Sorani
3.41698432	84.80% Bulgarian_Thrace + 15.20% Iran_Khorasan

New

Distance to:	Thracian
2.18427346	76.00% Albanian_Kosovo + 24.00% Turkmen_TM
2.53460448	80.40% Greek_Thessaly + 19.60% Turkmen_TM
2.72298562	81.40% Albanian_Kosovo + 18.60% Iran_Bandari
2.72363496	76.80% Albanian_Kosovo + 23.20% Iran_Khorasan
2.89429251	81.00% Greek_Thrace + 19.00% Turkmen_TM
2.96221673	85.20% Greek_Thessaly + 14.80% Iran_Bandari
2.99737830	83.80% Bulgarian_Thrace + 16.20% Turkmen_TM
3.01352802	87.60% Bulgarian_Thrace + 12.40% Iran_Bandari
3.06816400	89.20% Turk_Makedonya + 10.80% Iran_Bandari
3.09754050	80.20% Greek_Thessaly + 19.80% Turkmen_Iran
3.15081931	75.60% Albanian_Kosovo + 24.40% Turkmen_Iran
3.30877098	80.80% Greek_Thrace + 19.20% Turkmen_Iran
3.33546086	85.80% Greek_Thrace + 14.20% Iran_Bandari
3.34304763	81.60% Greek_Thessaly + 18.40% Iran_Khorasan
3.34590350	84.80% Bulgarian_Thrace + 15.20% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
3.37457676	83.80% Bulgarian_Thrace + 16.20% Turkmen_Iran
3.41659903	86.60% Turk_Makedonya + 13.40% Iran_Khorasan
3.41698432	84.80% Bulgarian_Thrace + 15.20% Iran_Khorasan
3.43430500	82.20% Greek_Thrace + 17.80% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
3.44435856	81.80% Greek_Thessaly + 18.20% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
3.45227559	78.60% Albanian_Kosovo + 21.40% Iranian_Fars
3.54263277	87.80% Turk_Makedonya + 12.20% Iranian_Fars
3.55383198	61.00% Turk_Deliorman + 39.00% Greek_Lemnos
3.60137024	20.80% Iraq_Turkmen + 79.20% MD_Gagauz
3.64479659	80.40% Greek_Thessaloniki + 19.60% Turkmen_TM

I had to run with smaller sample size because my computer's CPU fan is like a helicopter nowadays. So, I removed many samples, especially Tajiks, because my 2-way oracles were full of them. Yet, I kept all Turks, Turkmens etc... The difference for me when I run the nMonte. Your statement makes sense, I used to have more Makedonya but it became less. Anyway, you are really doing great job!

Spoiler!

Old

Target: Thracian
Distance: 1.5088% / 1.50880049 | ADC: 0.25x
58.1	Turk_Makedonya
16.1	Turk_Trakya
8.7	Italian_Lazio
5.2	Italian_Marche
5.0	Balochi
3.8	Greek_Central
2.5	Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
0.6	Cochin_Jews

New

Target: Thracian
Distance: 1.6179% / 1.61793669 | ADC: 0.25x
30.3	Turk_Trakya
23.4	Greek_Thrace
22.9	Turk_Makedonya
14.8	Italian_Lazio
3.2	Balochi
3.2	Pashtun_Uthmankhel
1.5	Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
0.5	Greek_Peloponnese
0.2	Cambodians

I think this model is legit enough for you:

2.18427346 76.00% Albanian_Kosovo + 24.00% Turkmen_TM

A mix of Bulgarian and Northern Greek elements result with Kosovar Albanian proxy, that's what I see in some Thracian Turks including my father. Having 25% non-Balkan when considering your scores makes sense as well.

In the end, you end up having an additional Iranian-like admixture compared to averages. It might be a random inheritance or one/both of your parents might indeed be carrying it. We will not know if you don't test them as both of the options are frequently seen among Balkan Turks.

[Thracian]

I think this model is legit enough for you:

2.18427346 76.00% Albanian_Kosovo + 24.00% Turkmen_TM

A mix of Bulgarian and Northern Greek elements result with Kosovar Albanian proxy, that's what I see in some Thracian Turks including my father. Having 25% non-Balkan when considering your scores makes sense as well.

In the end, you end up having an additional Iranian-like admixture compared to averages. It might be a random inheritance or one/both of your parents might indeed be carrying it. We will not know if you don't test them as both of the options are frequently seen among Balkan Turks.

To be honest, I did not know that. Never interested any of those Western Balkanites. I thought Bulgarian Thrace or Greek Thrace was a proxy for this.

It comes from my maternal line. I am thinking buy test for at least one of them, but I need to wait till june or october. I can not visit them before june or october.

[Kaspias]

To be honest, I did not know that. Never interested any of those Western Balkanites. I thought Bulgarian Thrace or Greek Thrace was a proxy for this.

Bulgarian Thrace, Greek Thrace, Albanian_Kosovo, Gagauz, Bulgarian_East, Pomak_Greece, Pomak_Bulgaria... these all are decent. For Albanian, it's not because you have Albanian or whatsoever, it's just a "midway" between Thracian Greek and Bulgarian admixtures and works efficiently in my experience.

See my father:

Distance to:	Kaspias_dad
3.82983319	57.20% Albanian_Kosovo + 42.80% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.16192568	59.20% Greek_Macedonia + 40.80% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.24305619	51.20% Italian_Friuli_VG + 48.80% Turkmen_Iran
4.25522189	61.00% MD_Gagauz + 39.00% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.26550364	59.80% Bulgarian_East + 40.20% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.38654392	34.60% Bashkir_South + 65.40% Italian_Apulia
4.40960147	63.60% Greek_Thrace + 36.40% Turkmen_Afghanistan
4.46093609	61.60% Bulgarian_Thrace + 38.40% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.58538061	65.60% Bulgarian_Thrace + 34.40% Turkmen_Afghanistan
4.61357365	59.60% Greek_Thrace + 40.40% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.65325789	43.60% Bashkir_Central + 56.40% Italian_Calabria
4.68145857	57.20% Bulgarian_Central + 42.80% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.70927534	46.80% Italian_Trentino + 53.20% Turkmen_Iran
4.75386089	36.60% Bashkir_South + 63.40% Italian_Abruzzo
4.75663089	40.20% Bashkir_Central + 59.80% Italian_Sicily
4.80313562	56.20% Bulgarian_West + 43.80% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.82092743	62.80% Greek_Thrace + 37.20% Uzbek
4.84052666	51.80% Italian_Friuli_VG + 48.20% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.85218248	61.60% Albanian_Kosovo + 38.40% Turkmen_Afghanistan
4.85598252	46.00% Swiss_Italian + 54.00% Turkmen_Iran
4.86024655	56.80% MD_South + 43.20% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.90063548	72.60% Italian_Apulia + 27.40% Tatar_Zabolotniye
4.90114115	41.80% Bashkir_Central + 58.20% Italian_Campania
4.94627883	54.60% Macedonian + 45.40% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.96933550	59.00% Greek_Thessaloniki + 41.00% Turkmen_Uzbekistan

It comes from my maternal line. I am thinking buy test for at least one of them, but I need to wait till june or october. I can not visit them before june or october.

Yes, that's fine. How do you know it comes from that line btw? Are there any told stories?

[Thracian]

Bulgarian Thrace, Greek Thrace, Albanian_Kosovo, Gagauz, Bulgarian_East, Pomak_Greece, Pomak_Bulgaria... these all are decent. For Albanian, it's not because you have Albanian or whatsoever, it's just a "midway" between Thracian Greek and Bulgarian admixtures and works efficiently in my experience.

See my father:

Distance to:	Kaspias_dad
3.82983319	57.20% Albanian_Kosovo + 42.80% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.16192568	59.20% Greek_Macedonia + 40.80% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.24305619	51.20% Italian_Friuli_VG + 48.80% Turkmen_Iran
4.25522189	61.00% MD_Gagauz + 39.00% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.26550364	59.80% Bulgarian_East + 40.20% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.38654392	34.60% Bashkir_South + 65.40% Italian_Apulia
4.40960147	63.60% Greek_Thrace + 36.40% Turkmen_Afghanistan
4.46093609	61.60% Bulgarian_Thrace + 38.40% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.58538061	65.60% Bulgarian_Thrace + 34.40% Turkmen_Afghanistan
4.61357365	59.60% Greek_Thrace + 40.40% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.65325789	43.60% Bashkir_Central + 56.40% Italian_Calabria
4.68145857	57.20% Bulgarian_Central + 42.80% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.70927534	46.80% Italian_Trentino + 53.20% Turkmen_Iran
4.75386089	36.60% Bashkir_South + 63.40% Italian_Abruzzo
4.75663089	40.20% Bashkir_Central + 59.80% Italian_Sicily
4.80313562	56.20% Bulgarian_West + 43.80% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.82092743	62.80% Greek_Thrace + 37.20% Uzbek
4.84052666	51.80% Italian_Friuli_VG + 48.20% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.85218248	61.60% Albanian_Kosovo + 38.40% Turkmen_Afghanistan
4.85598252	46.00% Swiss_Italian + 54.00% Turkmen_Iran
4.86024655	56.80% MD_South + 43.20% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.90063548	72.60% Italian_Apulia + 27.40% Tatar_Zabolotniye
4.90114115	41.80% Bashkir_Central + 58.20% Italian_Campania
4.94627883	54.60% Macedonian + 45.40% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.96933550	59.00% Greek_Thessaloniki + 41.00% Turkmen_Uzbekistan

Yes, that's fine. How do you know it comes from that line btw? Are there any told stories?

Yeah, I see your point. I was just ignoring them before you said this. Our oracles are pretty similar with your dad btw, just ratios are different.

Yes, there are. I had Erzincan on 23andMe, if you remember. Some family members from my maternal line were claiming their maternal grandma may have some roots from Erzincan. However, according to e-devlet, she doesn't have. Both of her parents are from Gevgelija. E-devlet doesn't go back further than 1800's. So, it is difficult say something. It can be totally a coincidence, because I also had Sivas on Anatolia. That can even be just about Karamanids.

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Yeah, I see your point. I was just ignoring them before you said this. Our oracles are pretty similar with your dad btw, just ratios are different.

Yes, there are. I had Erzincan on 23andMe, if you remember. Some family members from my maternal line were claiming their maternal grandma may have some roots from Erzincan. However, according to e-devlet, she doesn't have. Both of her parents are from Gevgelija. E-devlet doesn't go back further than 1800's. So, it is difficult say something. It can be totally a coincidence, because I also had Sivas on Anatolia. That can even be just about Karamanids.

Your ancestries on paper are also similar.

Do you mean your maternal grandmother actually directly can be from Erzincan or migration from Erzincan to Gevgelija? If e-devlet shows both grandparents are from Gevgelija, isn't the first option is not likely?

In my experience in 23andme, almost all of the Balkan Turks are assigned to various Anatolian cities. The ones for example Bursa and İzmir obviously because of the Balkan Turkish population living here, but others? I think they indicate actual relativity and the possible origin of migration. I have checked more than 100 23andme results so far, safely can say that at least 20% of them had regions such as Kastamonu, Tokat, Çorum, Erzincan, Sivas. At least 10% of them had Karaman, Konya, Mersin.

I personally had Konya and Muğla. Now the both are removed, but still show a broad match both with Western and Eastern Anatolia. So what I'm trying to say is your case is actually common.