Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

**Leto** · 01-25-2021, 10:36 PM

An adoptee from Russia (registered on TA as Lorca). There was a thread about him back in 2018, now the guy has resurfaced. Presumably he is Azerbaijani with a Russian grandparent.

Gedrosia 16.73 Pct
Siberian 3.71 Pct
Northwest_African 1.26 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.98 Pct
Atlantic_Med 13.17 Pct
North_European 21.63 Pct
South_Asian 1.13 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.38 Pct
East_Asian 0.99 Pct
Caucasus 32.02 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Lorca
2.39197121 36.80% Tatar_Mishar + 63.20% Udi_Azerbaijan
2.41365764 72.00% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 28.00% Russian_Ryazan
2.43328452 67.60% Azerbaijani_Iran + 32.40% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.48835058 72.20% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 27.80% Russian_Oryol
2.52360687 73.40% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 26.60% PL_Warmia-Masuria
2.56512297 76.20% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 23.80% Finnish_West
2.57503904 71.00% Azerbaijani_Iran + 29.00% Ukrainian
2.58777279 72.20% Azerbaijani_Iran + 27.80% Polish_mixed
2.61612249 71.80% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 28.20% Ukrainian
2.62416372 71.60% Azerbaijani_Iran + 28.40% Russian_Oryol

**Sterling Archer** · 01-26-2021, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Leto

An adoptee from Russia (registered on TA as Lorca). There was a thread about him back in 2018, now the guy has resurfaced. Presumably he is Azerbaijani with a Russian grandparent.

Gedrosia 16.73 Pct
Siberian 3.71 Pct
Northwest_African 1.26 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.98 Pct
Atlantic_Med 13.17 Pct
North_European 21.63 Pct
South_Asian 1.13 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.38 Pct
East_Asian 0.99 Pct
Caucasus 32.02 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Lorca
2.39197121 36.80% Tatar_Mishar + 63.20% Udi_Azerbaijan
2.41365764 72.00% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 28.00% Russian_Ryazan
2.43328452 67.60% Azerbaijani_Iran + 32.40% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.48835058 72.20% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 27.80% Russian_Oryol
2.52360687 73.40% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 26.60% PL_Warmia-Masuria
2.56512297 76.20% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 23.80% Finnish_West
2.57503904 71.00% Azerbaijani_Iran + 29.00% Ukrainian
2.58777279 72.20% Azerbaijani_Iran + 27.80% Polish_mixed
2.61612249 71.80% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 28.20% Ukrainian
2.62416372 71.60% Azerbaijani_Iran + 28.40% Russian_Oryol

This would be a very typical mix in Azerbaijan (Republic), especially in the capital region. The number of people I personally know who have either one of their parents or grand parents be Russian is quite high. Not that many people test though.
Recently I was surprised to find out that the guy who I went to school with and hang around had a Russian grandma ))

**Kyp** · 01-26-2021, 10:15 AM

Azerbaijani from Baku:

Gedrosian: 21.94
Siberian: 1.86
Northwest_African: 0.08
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.08
North_European: 8.19
South_Asian: 1.48
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 13.23
East_Asian: 2.98
Caucasian: 42.17
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Baku
3.52292492 Zaza
3.83135746 Azerbaijani_Turkey
3.88515122 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.58048032 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.60785199 Azerbaijani
5.00198960 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.40592268 Kurd_Adygea
5.41779475 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.28347038 Turk_East
6.54091737 Turk_Southeast
6.71045453 Yazidi
6.73643081 Iraq_Turkmen
6.78375265 Kurd_Sorani
8.35192792 Turk_Central_East
8.55983061 Iranian
8.79776108 Lur_Iran
9.34202869 Iran_Central
10.01230243 Turk_South
10.11734155 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.32124992 Armenian_East
10.69512038 Azeri_Jew
11.03450497 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.03494449 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.17450670 Turk_Central_West
11.17600555 Iranian_Fars

Target: Azerbaijani_Baku
Distance: 1.0364% / 1.03641116 | ADC: 0.25x RC
62.1 Zaza
13.8 Kumyks
11.7 Azeri_Jew
9.3 Azerbaijani_Turkey
1.7 Japanese
1.4 Kuwait2

Target: Azerbaijani_Baku
Distance: 1.9784% / 1.97843571 | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.6 Azerbaijani_Turkey
40.8 Zaza
14.6 Udi_Azerbaijan

**Sterling Archer** · 01-26-2021, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Kyp

Azerbaijani from Baku:

Gedrosian: 21.94
Siberian: 1.86
Northwest_African: 0.08
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.08
North_European: 8.19
South_Asian: 1.48
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 13.23
East_Asian: 2.98
Caucasian: 42.17
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Baku
3.52292492 Zaza
3.83135746 Azerbaijani_Turkey
3.88515122 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.58048032 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.60785199 Azerbaijani
5.00198960 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.40592268 Kurd_Adygea
5.41779475 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.28347038 Turk_East
6.54091737 Turk_Southeast
6.71045453 Yazidi
6.73643081 Iraq_Turkmen
6.78375265 Kurd_Sorani
8.35192792 Turk_Central_East
8.55983061 Iranian
8.79776108 Lur_Iran
9.34202869 Iran_Central
10.01230243 Turk_South
10.11734155 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.32124992 Armenian_East
10.69512038 Azeri_Jew
11.03450497 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.03494449 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.17450670 Turk_Central_West
11.17600555 Iranian_Fars

Target: Azerbaijani_Baku
Distance: 1.0364% / 1.03641116 | ADC: 0.25x RC
62.1 Zaza
13.8 Kumyks
11.7 Azeri_Jew
9.3 Azerbaijani_Turkey
1.7 Japanese
1.4 Kuwait2

Target: Azerbaijani_Baku
Distance: 1.9784% / 1.97843571 | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.6 Azerbaijani_Turkey
40.8 Zaza
14.6 Udi_Azerbaijan

More likely Kurd from Baku. After Karabakh war a lot of Kurds from that region (especially Kalbajar, Lachin, etc.) migrated to Baku. Most of them don't like or want to mention that they are Kurds.
Have a close friend from Gubadly who is Kurd (also their whole village was Kurdish). Now he always claims he is Azeri.
I think this result indicates that the person is probably Kurdish.

**Fedora** · 01-26-2021, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

More likely Kurd from Baku. After Karabakh war a lot of Kurds from that region (especially Kalbajar, Lachin, etc.) migrated to Baku. Most of them don't like or want to mention that they are Kurds.
Have a close friend from Gubadly who is Kurd (also their whole village was Kurdish). Now he always claims he is Azeri.
I think this result indicates that the person is probably Kurdish.

Lower Gedrosia and higher eurasian indicate turkic admixture.

**Sterling Archer** · 01-26-2021, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Fedora

Lower Gedrosia and higher eurasian indicate turkic admixture.

But higher SW Asia and Caucasus indicate Kurdish. I mean his/her first pop is Zaza ))
I am almost certain that this person is either full or half Kurdish.
Even if he claims he is not, once we find out which part of the country he or his parents are from, we might be able to clarify this moment.

What I wrote about Kurds above is not a simple anecdote. Large population of Kurds in the Caucasus could not suddenly disappear. Many do not like to point out that they are Kurdish. It is almost wilful assimilation.

**Kyp** · 01-26-2021, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

More likely Kurd from Baku. After Karabakh war a lot of Kurds from that region (especially Kalbajar, Lachin, etc.) migrated to Baku. Most of them don't like or want to mention that they are Kurds.
Have a close friend from Gubadly who is Kurd (also their whole village was Kurdish). Now he always claims he is Azeri.
I think this result indicates that the person is probably Kurdish.

Most likely he is mixed yes. Kurds are part of Azerbaijani ethnogenesis (in some regions) and Baku is a melting pot. But I doubt he is fully Kurdish.

Zaza is not a pure Kurdish reference (in my opinion).

Target: Azerbaijani_Baku
Distance: 1.9784% / 1.97843571 | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.6 Azerbaijani_Turkey
40.8 Zaza
14.6 Udi_Azerbaijan

**Zoro** · 01-26-2021, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

But higher SW Asia and Caucasus indicate Kurdish. I mean his/her first pop is Zaza ))
I am almost certain that this person is either full or half Kurdish.
Even if he claims he is not, once we find out which part of the country he or his parents are from, we might be able to clarify this moment.

What I wrote about Kurds above is not a simple anecdote. Large population of Kurds in the Caucasus could not suddenly disappear. Many do not like to point out that they are Kurdish. It is almost wilful assimilation.

Sad but true. Something similar happened with the Kurds in Iran where a bunch started identifying as Lurs although in many cases voluntarily

**Leto** · 01-26-2021, 02:41 PM

Most of the Caucasus Kurds were deported/resettled in Kazakhstan in the 1930-40s. Around 45,000 Kurds live today in Southeastern Kazakhstan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Kazakhstan

**Zoro** · 01-26-2021, 02:45 PM

The Zazas (also known as Kird, Kirmanc or Dimili)[6] are a people in eastern Turkey who speak the Zaza language. Their heartland consists of Tunceli and Bingöl provinces and parts of Elazığ, Erzincan and Diyarbakır provinces.[2] Zazas generally[7] consider themselves Kurds,[8][5][9][10] and are often described as Zaza Kurds.

More recent data from 2005 suggests that the Zaza-speaking population varies from approximately 2 to 4 million.[1] Many Zazas only speak Kurmanji Kurdish as it was believed that the Zaza language was an offshoot of Kurmanji.[3]

While Zazas largely consider themselves Kurds,[7] some researches consider Zazas to be a separate ethnic group, and treat them as such in their academic work.[16] A scientific report from 2005 concluded that Zazas share the same genetical pattern as other Kurdish groups and did not support the hypothesis of Zazas originating from Northern Iran.[17]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zazas