Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

**vbnetkhio** · 01-27-2021, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by Zoro

With any admixture calculator based on modern human references the results don't literally mean you have ancestry from those references.

For example if you get 25% Gedrosian it doesn't mean you have 25% Baloch ancestry
If a Turk or an Arab has 12% Gedrosian it doesn't mean they have 12% Baloch ancestry
If a Bulgarian has 7% Gedrosian it doesn't mean Bulgarians have 7% Baloch ancestry

It does mean that you share 25% something (recent SNPs etc ) with Baloch and Bulgarians share 7% something with Baloch but it's up to you to figure out how come you share 25% something with Baloch. In other words it's up to you to figure out which ancestors, Iran-Chl or BMAC or whatever contributed this shared DNA between you and Baloch.

The Gedrosian in Europeans stands for extra Steppe which can't be described by the "North European" component. A similar thing happens with "South Asian" in Eurogenes calcs.

**Dr_Maul** · 01-27-2021, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

Which components and to what extent do we separate, while lumping together other ones? It seems inevitable to me that in the process some components, that should not be merged, will have to be arbitrarily grouped together with the assumption being that they are not that important for the region.?

Yes, this is the main factor. Which is why we only have one 'sub-saharan' component for a calculator which is designed for Eurasians, whereas one for Africans would obviously have much more references. Same thing can be said for Europeans, which on Eurogenes have "east euro" "north sea" "baltic" etc, but here we only have 2.

**Leto** · 01-28-2021, 04:44 PM

As expected, the Georgian accounts I posted have been largely overlooked but there is a few unusual samples there, namely these

Kit Number: T191893
Name: TS_H183

Gedrosia 22.53 Pct
Siberian 0.8 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.11 Pct
North_European 15.82 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.62 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 47.13 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T755309
Name: TS_H184

Gedrosia 23.85 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.67 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.13 Pct
North_European 11.19 Pct
South_Asian 0.43 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.17 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 50.43 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.14 Pct

Kit Number: T250616
Name: TS_H189

Gedrosia 22.93 Pct
Siberian 1.06 Pct
Northwest_African 0.06 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.58 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.5 Pct
North_European 19.02 Pct
South_Asian 0.86 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.43 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 45.56 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T710401
Name: TS_H191

Gedrosia 21.26 Pct
Siberian 1.01 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.93 Pct
North_European 17.32 Pct
South_Asian 0.08 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.05 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 47.34 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

I wonder what TS is supposed to stand for. Tbilisi? They are all distant relatives.

**Leto** · 01-28-2021, 04:48 PM

Georgian (not from those two accounts)

Gedrosia 22.13 Pct
Siberian 0.53 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 3.27 Pct
North_European 12.34 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.61 Pct
East_Asian 0.91 Pct
Caucasus 56.22 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Reno
3.13804079 Abkhazian
3.52671235 Georgian_Svan
5.13848227 Georgian_Gurian
5.65969080 Georgian
6.64983458 Georgian_Mingrelian
6.94115985 Ossetian_South
6.98273585 Georgian_Imereti
8.89402608 Turk_Ahiska
9.38474827 Georgian_Turkey
10.78734444 Georgian_Adjara

Target: Reno
Distance: 1.2612% / 1.26117732 | ADC: 0.5x RC
85.3 Georgian_Svan
8.0 Kubachi_Dagestan
6.7 Iran_Mazandaran

Target: Reno
Distance: 1.8484% / 1.84841556 | R2P
88.4 Georgian_Svan
11.6 Kubachi_Dagestan

**Sterling Archer** · 01-28-2021, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

As expected, the Georgian accounts I posted have been largely overlooked but there is a few unusual samples there, namely these

Kit Number: T250616
Name: TS_H189

Gedrosia 22.93 Pct
Siberian 1.06 Pct
Northwest_African 0.06 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.58 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.5 Pct
North_European 19.02 Pct
South_Asian 0.86 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.43 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 45.56 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

I wonder what TS is supposed to stand for. Tbilisi? They are all distant relatives.

I'm certain that some of these are not Georgians. Looks to be Chechen-Ingush. NE is way to high.
For exa
Distance to: T250616
3.26272892 Ingush
4.11210408 Chechen
4.52825573 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
5.43748103 Adyghe
6.18021035 Kumyks
6.50511337 Ossetian
6.89282961 Karachay
6.89920285 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.22761371 Balkar
7.55453506 Circassian
8.09680801 Abazin
8.15700926 Ossetian_South
8.58245303 Kabardin
9.90505931 Lezgin

**Sterling Archer** · 01-28-2021, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

As expected, the Georgian accounts I posted have been largely overlooked but there is a few unusual samples there, namely these

Kit Number: T710401
Name: TS_H191

Gedrosia 21.26 Pct
Siberian 1.01 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.93 Pct
North_European 17.32 Pct
South_Asian 0.08 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.05 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 47.34 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Again, not a Georgian.

Distance to: TS_H191
4.14459889 Adyghe
5.10404741 Ingush
5.44784361 Ossetian
6.91722488 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
6.96571604 Karachay
6.99680641 Circassian
7.02958747 Ossetian_South
7.18920719 Chechen
7.32430884 Kumyks
7.71178968 Balkar
7.86868477 Abazin
8.70112636 Kabardin
8.73508443 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.49078167 Abkhazian
11.46897118 Georgian
11.47881091 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.88833462 Turk_Ahiska
12.58268254 Qumuq
13.05298050 Lezgin
13.06489954 Turk_East
13.68647873 Lak
13.82205122 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.97865873 Georgian_Svan
14.06622906 Georgian_Gurian
14.32259753 Kubachi_Dagestan

**Sterling Archer** · 01-28-2021, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

As expected, the Georgian accounts I posted have been largely overlooked but there is a few unusual samples there, namely these

Kit Number: T191893
Name: TS_H183

Gedrosia 22.53 Pct
Siberian 0.8 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.11 Pct
North_European 15.82 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.62 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 47.13 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

This one is also not ethnic Georgian:
Distance to: TS_H183
5.79360855 Adyghe
5.99844146 Ingush
6.90719914 Ossetian
7.62646707 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
8.00811463 Ossetian_South
8.36222458 Karachay
8.39375363 Circassian
8.39774374 Chechen
8.77038768 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.80583329 Kumyks
9.12903062 Abazin
9.25739164 Balkar
9.84557769 Kabardin
10.60908573 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.91513170 Abkhazian
11.33970458 Georgian
11.44536151 Turk_Ahiska
12.43006838 Turk_East
13.14888969 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.26015460 Qumuq
13.26599789 Lezgin
13.69112486 Talysh_Azerbaijan
13.84451516 Zaza
14.23788959 Georgian_Svan
14.27002453 Georgian_Gurian

**Leto** · 01-28-2021, 05:18 PM

Thank you, Sherlock, I know how to use that tool

They may as well be some Eastern Georgian highlanders or something.

**Sterling Archer** · 01-28-2021, 05:23 PM

I know you do, it was for the general audience

As for eastern Georgia, dunno. Georgian with Caucasus of 45?.

Maybe TS stands for Tusheti? This is where the Chechens live in Georgia.

**Sterling Archer** · 01-28-2021, 06:46 PM

I think the guy below is distantly related to T191893:

SomeGuy,20.52,0.3,0,0,6.62,14.59,1.64,0,6.47,0,49. 86,0

Distance to: SomeGuy
5.83720824 Adyghe
5.95486356 Ossetian_South
6.55807136 Ossetian
7.03221160 Abkhazian
7.44004032 Georgian
8.08624758 Turk_Ahiska
8.28525196 Ingush
8.99597132 Karachay
9.03022702 Kumyks
9.11938594 Circassian
9.54124730 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.90194425 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
10.07630389 Abazin
10.20620400 Balkar
10.36417387 Georgian_Gurian
10.67760273 Georgian_Svan
10.70619447 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.75921930 Chechen
11.23400641 Turk_East
11.54107881 Kabardin
12.00408680 Georgian_Imereti
12.30845644 Armenian_East
12.81588858 Georgian_Mingrelian
13.16473319 Georgian_Turkey
13.39542459 Azerbaijani_Turkey