Classify this Russians

**Proto-Shaman** · 11-24-2017, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by helg

I mean that the Slavs are now the majority in such areas of the map as Merya, Murom and Meshchera. And further south to the Kuban.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finno-...ation_genetics

R1a1a7-M458 frequency peaks among Slavic and Finno-Ugric peoples.[22]
R1a1a1i (Z280+)
This group seems to have connection with among others the Finno-Ugric peoples.[23] It is the North-East European subclade of R1a1a1 and spread from the Baltic to the Ural Mountains as well as the Carpathian Basin. The majority of the Steppe Magyars likely belonged to this haplogroup, carrying the Ugric Hungarian language.[24]

Haplogroup R1a , Finnic / North-Eastern European cluster
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SNP: Z280+ CTS1211+ CTS3402-
STR: Typical values: DYS19=15, DYS607=17, DYS444=12
Green : Karelian subcluster
Blue :: Southern Ostrobothnian subcluster
Red ::: North-Eastern
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http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1a/default.aspx

R1a distribution in Russia coincides with extinct Finnic areas:

Furthermore: https://de.scribd.com/document/11859...to-Rennaisance

"That common marker might be the Z280 SNP (single nucleotide polymorphism) that can be found in certain members of the R1a1a1 y-chromosomal DNA group. In fact Tibor Fehér, the coordinator of the Hungarian y-DNA project for the familytreeDNA company of Texas, is quite certain that the Z280 will prove to be one of the common markers of the Finno-Ugric peoples. According to Mr. Fehér, roughly one in eight Hungarian man whose y-DNA is known, has this marker. E-mail from Tibor Fehér to a group of genomists (including the writer of these lines) 14 Feb. 2012 — as well as other internet communications from Mr. Fehér in 2011."

Ancient Finnic R1a and R1b: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezhov...DNA-archeology

In 2015, a genetic study of ancient dwelling of Mezhovskaya culture: Kapova Cave (Shulgan-tash). Three individuals (RISE523, RISE524, RISE525) of the Mezhovskaya in Southern Ural from 1400 BC to 1000 BC were surveyed.[5]
Extractions of Y-DNA from one individual was determined to belong to the Western Asian haplogroup R1a1a1 (kit RISE525: Meshovskaya, SNPs: Z645, Z283(-? false negative)>Z282>Z280>CTS1211>YP343>YP340>YP371>Y11162 (Y11175 level Y11162), Y11175+ Y11171-[6]), while the other extraction was determined to belong to R1b (kit RISE524: Meshovskaya, SNPs: R1b1a2-PF6494),

Daniel Szelkey said... http://polishgenes.blogspot.de/2014/...ounder-as.html

In addition to this the study is the first high resolution study of R1a in the Chuvash and the Komi. Clearly finno-ugric languages are associated with European R1a, rather than asian R1a. It also proved that the Altai, and Turkic speaking Siberiais dominated by Asian R1a,with around 1% European R1a something that was not known before this study.
March 26, 2014 at 6:52 PM

Here are the maps...

Norwegian R1a:

Fenno-Slavic R1a:

Slavic R1a:

Komi R1a: (the parental clade of 282)

And here is the last study: http://paperity.org/p/79440468/the-s...avic-languages

Conclusion
As described above, the conclusion of this paper is that haplogroups R-Z283, RM458, I2a, N1c, and N1b were all carriers of different language groups. N1c has likely been the dominant haplogroup among a pre-Uralic native population of the region, while Finno-Permian languages were likely introduced in the region by R-Z283 with the eastern flank of Corded Ware migrations in the Bronze Age. N1b likely introduced Samoyedic languages with the Seima-Turbino migrations 3500 years BP, while Balto-Slavic languages were likely introduced by a population characterized by a blend of R-M458 and I2a 3000-400 years ago.

This explanation solves several questions ignored by the mainstream view: How Finno-Slavic linguistic boundary could be that much in the south as recently as early medieval times, despite the far more northern spread of both Corded Ware culture, and haplogroup R1a? How come that in most Finno-Permian populations the presence of haplogrop R is as high as that of haplogroup N, etc.

We have to admit, that this paper not only solves, but also raises questions. How come, that as different language groups, as Finno-Permian and Slavic could originate from two different subclades, R-Z283 and R-M458 of the same haplogroup, haplogroup R1a, while Samoyedic, a language group somewhat related to Finno-Permian, could originate from haplogroup N1b? These questions can be subject of further research, but language shift can be a plausible explanation. The parallel spread of haplogroup I2a (originating from further south) together with R-M458 could indicate such an early language shift for example. The number of questions solved is still higher however, than the questions raised.