Macedonian Gedmatch kits - 28

[JohnnyP]

Full Macedonian from Krusevo with the weird results
R1b

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Macedonian from around Krushevo mtDNA R1a ydna R1b

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Macedonian mtDNA J1c2 yDNA J-M67


Macedonian from Veles

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So far by now I collected 11 Macedonians from different regions with G25 coordinates, this thread is for Gedmatch but I will post them all.
Modern Individuals top 10 closest ;

Distance to:	Macedonian-Kumanovo 
0.02500761	Bulgarian:BulgarianH2
0.02791903	Albanian:AL82
0.03347176	Greek_Macedonia:680
0.03355795	Italian_Veneto:ALP322
0.03362627	Italian_Northeast:KF2700960
0.03438258	Italian_Northeast:ALP233
0.03496871	Albanian:ALB230
0.03533859	Italian_Veneto:ALP249
0.03879563	Greek_Macedonia:674
0.03924896	Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE144

Distance to:	Macedonian-Southeast - EV-13
0.02199125	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8
0.02324534	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
0.02429383	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP17
0.02612429	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE34
0.02731178	Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.02819070	Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE162
0.02823234	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP3
0.02870271	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP8
0.02898198	Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02951507	Greek_Macedonia:675

Distance to:	Macedonian-Bitola - I-M423
0.02236790	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
0.02287754	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8
0.02576781	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP8
0.02641045	Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02666057	Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.02816290	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP17
0.02996837	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE34
0.03017807	Albanian:ALB202
0.03029879	Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE162
0.03056947	Greek_Macedonia:676

Distance to:	Macedonian-Tetovo - J2-L70 (J2-L397, J2-L398)
0.02240248	Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.02466863	Albanian:ALB191
0.02593864	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
0.02609071	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8
0.02728819	Albanian:ALB202
0.02913161	Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02923675	Albanian:ALB213
0.03011488	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP17
0.03040789	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP3
0.03043561	Greek_Macedonia:676

Distance to:	Macedonian-Delcevo - J-M67
0.02456493	Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02729697	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
0.02805270	Italian_Northeast:ALP435
0.03117547	Italian_Northeast:KF1803129
0.03166809	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP8
0.03185386	Italian_Northeast:ALP093
0.03214896	Italian_Northeast:KF2700960
0.03224957	Italian_Northeast:KF2700922
0.03266696	Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.03280903	Albanian:AL82

Distance to:	Macedonian-Berovo - EV-13
0.02066613	Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.02273661	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8
0.02480379	Italian_Northeast:KF2700922
0.02834046	Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02861006	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE34
0.03071594	Greek_Macedonia:676
0.03116215	Italian_Veneto:KF1803105
0.03151963	Italian_Veneto:ALP378
0.03162103	Italian_Northeast:ALP093
0.03165197	Italian_Northeast:ALP235

Distance to:	Macedonian-Veles EV-13
0.02542877	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
0.02793026	Albanian:ALB202
0.03282740	Greek_Macedonia:676
0.03317284	Albanian:ALB191
0.03320601	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP11
0.03371500	Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE162
0.03422162	Albanian:ALB213
0.03459169	Albanian:AL82
0.03511173	Bulgarian:Bulgaria1

Distance to:	Macedonian-Krushevo R1b
0.02727490	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
0.02825498	Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02927076	Italian_Northeast:ALP435
0.02965590	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8
0.02971717	Italian_Northeast:KF2700960
0.02977825	Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.03010119	Italian_Northeast:ALP093
0.03021665	Italian_Veneto:ALP273
0.03103173	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP8
0.03103909	Italian_Northeast:ALP233

Distance to:	Macedonian-Kavadarci
0.01837921	Albanian:AL82
0.01884153	Greek_Macedonia:680
0.01989849	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP11
0.02151955	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
0.02260426	Bulgarian:BulgarianH2
0.02366826	Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE162
0.02465237	Greek_Macedonia:674
0.02481752	Albanian:ALB230
0.02528436	Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE144
0.02637372	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP8

Distance to:	Macedonian-Prilep/Ohrid
0.02393792	Albanian:AL82
0.02688952	Bulgarian:BulgarianH2
0.02797786	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
0.02863611	Italian_Veneto:ALP322
0.02879062	Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE144
0.02970686	Greek_Macedonia:686
0.03071383	Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE162
0.03102799	Greek_Macedonia:680
0.03109042	Italian_Northeast:ALP233
0.03120635	Albanian:ALB230

Distance to:	Macedonian-Skopje/Veles
0.02292897	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP11
0.02596873	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
0.02722301	Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02956163	Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE162
0.02972727	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP8
0.03016975	Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE126
0.03056364	Greek_Macedonia:675
0.03192355	Albanian:ALB191
0.03218571	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8
0.03225915	Italian_Piedmont:Piedmont154

I also put them at G25 Iron Age Calculator by (Michael13141) just I added for reference Balkans_IA + HRV_IA, so Balkans_IA are BGR_IA & HRV_IA and I made Nordic and Celtic(England_IA) in one reference.

[JohnnyP]

Ancients top5

Distance to:	Macedonian-Kumanovo
0.04209663	ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.04552139	GRC_Helladic_MBA
0.04720459	ITA_Rome_MA
0.04804745	HUN_Avar_Period
0.05283887	Scythian_MDA

Distance to:	Macedonian:Southeast
0.03903125	ITA_Rome_MA
0.03947483	Scythian_MDA
0.04107087	GRC_Helladic_MBA
0.04415129	HRV_MBA
0.04498245	VK2020_ITA_Foggia_MA

Distance to:	Macedonian:Bitola
0.03571115	GRC_Helladic_MBA
0.03866821	Scythian_MDA
0.04138008	ITA_Rome_MA
0.04275722	ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.04490454	HRV_MBA

Distance to:	Macedonian:Tetovo
0.04102403	Scythian_MDA
0.04196624	GRC_Helladic_MBA
0.04485019	ITA_Rome_MA
0.04511638	ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.04755594	VK2020_ITA_Foggia_MA

Distance to:	Macedonian-Delcevo
0.03874185	GRC_Helladic_MBA
0.04163745	ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.04327105	Scythian_HUN
0.04408801	SRB_Mokrin_EBA
0.04459218	Scythian_MDA

Distance to:	Macedonian-Berovo
0.04217110	HRV_MBA
0.04219040	Scythian_MDA
0.04389914	Scythian_HUN
0.04718892	ITA_Rome_MA
0.04767124	SRB_Mokrin_EBA

Distance to:	Macedonian-Veles
0.03680359	Scythian_MDA
0.03775417	GRC_Helladic_MBA
0.04076103	ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.04624978	UKR_Cimmerian_o
0.04876620	ITA_Rome_MA

Distance to:	Macedonian-Krushevo
0.03818897	Scythian_MDA
0.04110064	GRC_Helladic_MBA
0.04167557	ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.04305925	ITA_Rome_Renaissance
0.04396962	ITA_Rome_MA

Distance to:	Macedonian-Kavadarci
0.02781381	GRC_Helladic_MBA
0.03323089	ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.03478847	ITA_Rome_MA
0.04017951	Scythian_MDA
0.04118604	VK2020_ITA_Foggia_MA

Distance to:	Macedonian-Prilep/Ohrid
0.02918404	GRC_Helladic_MBA
0.03255646	ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.03792537	ITA_Rome_MA
0.04036032	Scythian_MDA
0.04077565	HRV_IA

Distance to:	Macedonian-Skopje/Veles
0.03468761	GRC_Helladic_MBA
0.03738258	ITA_Rome_MA
0.04278813	Scythian_MDA
0.04305726	Levant_LBN_MA_o4
0.04354897	VK2020_ITA_Foggia_MA

[JohnnyP]

Little comparation with newest sample found in Aegean Macedonia/North Greece (GRC_Helladic_Log4_MBA) vs modern Macedonian sample.
I considering this to be Brygian sample (Macedonian tribe), also this modern Macedonian sample is from Krushevo part of ancient territory where Bryges lived, based to scholars Brygians migrated to South Balkan in Middle Bronze Age.
They were Highlanders also their name is connected historically to Balkan languages;
Variants of name
Briges (Greek: Βρύγοι or Βρίγες)
Phryges (B→P)
Brygoi or Brygians (Greek: Βρύγοι Θρήικες) (Herodotus)
Berg (mountain) (German)
Breg (hill, slope, mountain) (Slavic)

I would mention Phrygians also, they were same tribe with Brygians but they migrated to Anatolia in Late Bronze Age, also Phrygians had tribe with name "Mushki" , which is again modern Balkan-Slavic word for (Brave man or Manly),Ancient accounts suggest that they first arrived from a homeland in the west (as part of the Phrygian migration), from the region of Troy, or even from as far as Macedonia, as the Bryges.
Approximately where they lived;

GRC Helladic Log4

North Atlantic 27.02 Pct 
Baltic 17.23 Pct 
West_Med 18.01 Pct
West_Asian 13.6 Pct 
East_Med 18.4 Pct
Red_Sea 1.55 Pct 
South_Asian 0.08 Pct 
East_Asian 0.5 Pct
Siberian 0.83 Pct
Amerindian 2.35 Pct
Oceanian 0.3 Pct
Northeast_African - 
Sub_Saharan 0.13 Pct

Macedonian from Krushevo

Population	 
North_Atlantic	27.22 Pct
Baltic	20.47 Pct
West_Med	17.57 Pct
West_Asian	13.12 Pct
East_Med	17.72 Pct
Red_Sea	1.04 Pct
South_Asian	-    
East_Asian	2.08 Pct
Siberian	-    
Amerindian	-    
Oceanian	-    
Northeast_African	-    
Sub-Saharan	0.78 Pct

Also Log4 sample at G25 modern individuals where modern Macedonian sample is closest;

Distance to:	GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log04
0.03453642	Macedonian:PrilepOhrid
0.03575904	Moldovan:MOL-024
0.03591205	Albanian:AL82
0.03662362	Macedonian:Pelagonia1
0.03667276	Macedonian:Kavadarci
0.03803680	Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE144
0.03839074	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
0.03885996	Macedonian:Veles
0.03897875	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP11
0.03904431	Macedonian:East2
0.03920727	Rumelia_East:642
0.03927007	Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP8

Macedonian G25 sample closest to Log4

Scaled
Macedonian:PrilepOhrid,0.122929,0.146236,0.023381,-0.006137,0.026774,-0.001116,-0.00376,-0.002077,-0.002454,0.018588,0.00065,0.001798,0.003717,0.010184,-0.011943,-0.008353,-0.008475,-0.000887,0.008799,-0.009004,-0.009234,0.009769,-0.000739,0.000602,-0.002395

Unscaled
Macedonian:PrilepOhrid,0.0108,0.0144,0.0062,-0.0019,0.0087,-0.0004,-0.0016,-0.0009,-0.0012,0.0102,0.0004,0.0012,0.0025,0.0074,-0.0088,-0.0063,-0.0065,-0.0007,0.007,-0.0072,-0.0074,0.0079,-0.0006,0.0005,-0.002

This is just my point of view, maybe I'm biased who knows

[JohnnyP]

Veles




y-dna J2


y-dna J2b2* mt-dna H1


Skopje

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