Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

[Sterling Archer]

Probably a Zaza/Alevi Kurd with some Turkish ancestry. That amount of east eurasian is definitely not possible for Kurd if you are not mixed. Or it is Azerbaijani-Iranic mix.

Yeah, probably Turkish and Iranian mix:
Distance to: Samir
2.30758761 46.00% Iranian + 54.00% Turk_East
2.49077131 13.60% Ossetian + 86.40% Zaza
2.52023375 63.20% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 36.80% Turk_East
2.52712819 12.80% Ossetian_South + 87.20% Zaza
2.55565224 13.00% Circassian + 87.00% Zaza
2.55912371 13.00% Karachay + 87.00% Zaza
2.58595391 12.80% Abazin + 87.20% Zaza
2.60629411 13.80% Adyghe + 86.20% Zaza
2.63550353 11.80% Balkar + 88.20% Zaza
2.66366845 17.40% Georgian_Svan + 82.60% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.68433678 19.80% Abkhazian + 80.20% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.70798568 7.40% Nogai + 92.60% Zaza
2.71517506 16.40% Georgian_Mingrelian + 83.60% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.71846369 11.20% Abkhazian + 88.80% Zaza
2.71998333 22.40% Georgian + 77.60% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.73328484 13.00% Ingush + 87.00% Zaza
2.73863695 32.60% Iran_Mazandaran + 67.40% Turk_East
2.75730665 11.40% Kabardin + 88.60% Zaza
2.76358618 9.40% Georgian_Svan + 90.60% Zaza
2.77685700 17.80% Georgian_Gurian + 82.20% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.79708492 74.00% Kurd_Kurmanji + 26.00% Turk_Ahiska
2.80661190 17.80% Georgian_Imereti + 82.20% Kurd_Kurmanji
2.80784330 80.00% Azerbaijani_Iran + 20.00% Georgian_Turkey
2.81867274 80.00% Azerbaijani_Iran + 20.00% Georgian_Adjara
2.82998460 16.60% Greek_Cappadocia + 83.40% Talysh_Azerbaijan

[Kyp]

Azerbaijani from Ağdaş:


Gedrosian: 22.37
Siberian: 1.09
Northwest_African: 0.51
Southeast_Asian: 1.44
Atlantic_Med: 10.93
North_European: 6.84
South_Asian: 2.31
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 11.31
East_Asian: 3.73
Caucasian: 38.11
Sub_Saharan: 0.96

Distance to: Aghdash_Azerbaijani
3.95187297 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.98087930 Azerbaijani
4.06338529 Azerbaijani_Northwest
4.41334340 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.51749931 Azerbaijani_Ardabil_Moghan
4.62347272 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
5.58833607 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.79353951 Turk_Southeast
6.32356703 Zaza
6.35278679 Yazidi
6.93777342 Kurd_Adygea
7.32869702 Iraq_Turkmen
7.43764748 Kurd_Sorani
7.49898660 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.17962102 Turk_Central_East
8.27334273 Azerbaijani_North
8.49565771 Iran_Central
9.07860672 Turk_South
9.23264318 Lur_Iran
9.30649236 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.33277558 Turk_East
9.35612099 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.56336761 Iranian
9.83908024 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.86395458 Iranian_Fars

Target: Aghdash_Azerbaijani
Distance: 2.3142% / 2.31422519 | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.8 Azerbaijani_Northwest
39.1 Yazidi
12.8 Azerbaijani_Turkey
3.3 Sardinian

[RatCat]

Theatricality & deception. Powerful agents to the uninitiated; but we are initiated aren't we, Kyp
Seriously though, the results from those websites can be highly arbitrary, and most people don't even know that. They take what they receive at face value.
Some guy from Caucasus who gets certain percentage of Italian really thinks that he has Italian ancestry, and not that algorithm tries to assign a region to Atlantic admixture.

Ahahaah that would be me if i haven't found this website, i get %15 Italian on Myheritage.

[Mejgusu]

If it was already posted, then sorry but here a Kipchak sample:

Kipchak

Gedrosia: 16.71
Siberian: 6.84
NW-Africa: 0.18
SE-Asia: 2.6
Atl_Med: 7.83
North European: 18.05
South Asian: 4.5
East African: 0
SW-Asia: 8.81
East Asia: 15.96
Caucasus: 18.2
SSA: 0.32

Distance to: Kipchak
9.52152299 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
9.81678664 Uzbek
12.58873703 Turkmen_Iran
13.08225516 Uzbeki
13.88420686 Turkmen_Afghanistan
13.92337244 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
15.39499269 Tajik_Mountain
16.64023738 Turkmen_TM
18.00534643 Tajik_Lowland
19.61094847 Lipka_Tatar
20.61642064 Uyghur
20.76708453 Turk_Northwest
21.27624732 Nogai_Stavropol
21.35359455 Nogai
21.40982251 Tajik_Herat
21.57647793 Yagnobi
22.03596606 Turk_Southwest
22.83238709 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
22.83744513 Karakalpak
22.87262556 Pamiri_Shughnan
23.15320712 Hazara
23.18184635 Pamiri_Rushan
24.24248750 Turk_Trakya
24.24707405 Turk_West_BlackSea
24.30229825 Turk_South

Target: Kipchak
Distance: 4.3503% / 4.35026590 | ADC: 0.5x RC
60.3 Uzbek
10.3 Tajik_Mountain
9.9 Saudi
9.8 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
9.7 Turk_Deliorman

[Dr_Maul]

If it was already posted, then sorry but here a Kipchak sample:

Kipchak

Gedrosia: 16.71
Siberian: 6.84
NW-Africa: 0.18
SE-Asia: 2.6
Atl_Med: 7.83
North European: 18.05
South Asian: 4.5
East African: 0
SW-Asia: 8.81
East Asia: 15.96
Caucasus: 18.2
SSA: 0.32

Interesting ratios. People always claim that those old Turks were barely East Asian and mostly Siberian. Well here he has more than double East Asian. This is DA179 right? He has an interesting Y-DNA https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Y18370*/

[RatCat]

Interesting ratios. People always claim that those old Turks were barely East Asian and mostly Siberian. Well here he has more than double East Asian. This is DA179 right? He has an interesting Y-DNA https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Y18370*/

Look at this coincidence ahaha that's an subgroup under my Y-DNA clade, but my spesific clade is probably the most frequent among Adyghe people. https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-L1266/

[Dr_Maul]

Look at this coincidence ahaha that's an subgroup under my Y-DNA clade, but my spesific clade is probably the most frequent among Adyghe people. https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-L1266/

I wonder if assimilation occurred here?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipchaks_in_Georgia
Or an older incursion of CHG related

I tried to model but with no real success lol

Target: KAZ_KipchakA179
Distance: 5.7908% / 0.05790785
47.0 KAZ_KipchakDA23
20.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic
17.0 RUS_Alan_MA
15.6 AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN

[Altaylı]

Probably DA179 is mixed half Turkic half something
But i am not sure

[RatCat]

I wonder if assimilation occurred here?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipchaks_in_Georgia
Or an older incursion of CHG related

I tried to model but with no real success lol

Target: KAZ_KipchakA179
Distance: 5.7908% / 0.05790785
47.0 KAZ_KipchakDA23
20.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic
17.0 RUS_Alan_MA
15.6 AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN

There are assimilated Nogay tribes among Circassians (most of them are from eastern regions) for example Yeseney, Kandavur, Kılıç, Navruz, Yeştrek, Canhot, Canbek, Nayman, Tsey, Şorokada, Tamaz, Altıyak, Karamırza, Negoy tribes are Nogay origin Circassian tribes from Kabardin and Eastern Circassian regions. There are some in West circassia too but much less.

A Circassian commander named Sultan Kilij Giray was Tatar-Nogay origin from one of these tribes.


And if we compare western Circassians(Adyghe) and Eastern Circassians we can see Eastern ones have additional Turkic like admixture. These people are supposed to be the same people.

Target: Circassian
Distance: 0.9157% / 0.91570279 | R2P
82.0 Adyghe
18.0 Nogai


Target: Kabardin
Distance: 0.9242% / 0.92416284 | R2P
84.0 Adyghe
16.0 Lipka_Tatar


Eastern Circassians and Kabardins are not that different from their neighbours Karachay and Balkars

Target: Balkar
Distance: 1.6552% / 1.65517117 | R2P
78.0 Adyghe
22.0 Nogai


Target: Karachay
Distance: 0.9094% / 0.90943282 | R2P
82.9 Adyghe
17.1 Nogai


So i think before Kipchaks came to the region they were all Adyghe like people, then they mixed with kipchaks and some of them got assimilated(karachay-balkar) some are not (kabardin, eastern circassians). But i doubt that haplogroup G came from steppe, It's very common among all Caucasians that dont have any steppe admixture.

[RatCat]

....

Addition to this we can model Adyghe and even Chechens under distance 2 with Georgian(Caucasian proxy) + Sarmatian. But if we try the same thing on Eastern Circassians and Kabardin distance gets bigger until we add KAZ_Kipchak

Target: Chechen
Distance: 1.9001% / 0.01900121
65.4 Georgian_Imer
34.6 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals


Target: Adygei
Distance: 1.7781% / 0.01778135
72.6 Georgian_Imer
27.4 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals


Eastern Circassians


Target: Circassian
Distance: 2.5829% / 0.02582949
64.6 Georgian_Imer
35.4 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals



Target: Kabardin
Distance: 2.7575% / 0.02757484
62.8 Georgian_Imer
37.2 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals


Distance get bigger, and if we add KAZ_Kpichak than it's on the same level with Chechen and Adyghe models


Target: Kabardin
Distance: 1.4610% / 0.01460968
64.6 Georgian_Imer
23.4 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
12.0 KAZ_Kipchak


Target: Circassian
Distance: 1.4622% / 0.01462212
66.2 Georgian_Imer
23.0 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
10.8 KAZ_Kipchak


This is what i think.