Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

**Sterling Archer** · 03-05-2021, 07:40 PM

Where it was clear that there was a foreign parent I have mentioned. Those results are clearly not of fully local or even regional origin. But this is not decided by having less EA, and that was my gripe. Low mongoloid does not mean not Azerbaijani.

I can't post my own results, because they aren't ready yet. Still processing.

**Sterling Archer** · 03-05-2021, 07:47 PM

Azerbaijani:

Gedrosia 21.17 Pct
Siberian 2.75 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 10.53 Pct
North_European 10.49 Pct
South_Asian 2.54 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.72 Pct
East_Asian 3.55 Pct
Caucasus 36.61 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.62 Pct

Distance to: Nadjafov
2.88624323 Azerbaijani
4.55540338 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.56451531 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.64677307 Turk_Southeast
6.85592445 Turk_South
7.13836116 Turk_Central_East
7.18922110 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.56683553 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.83765909 Turk_Central_West
8.23700795 Zaza
8.37295050 Yazidi
8.49383894 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.52823546 Iraq_Turkmen
8.85021469 Kurd_Adygea
8.90295457 Kurd_Sorani
9.25196195 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.61885648 Turk_Southwest
9.66965356 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.53644627 Turk_East
10.72063431 Iran_Khorasan
10.74323973 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.78183658 Iranian_Fars
11.32975728 Iranian
11.50170857 Lur_Iran
11.56653794 Turk_Northwest

**Kyp** · 03-05-2021, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

Where it was clear that there was a foreign parent I have mentioned. Those results are clearly not of fully local or even regional origin. But this is not decided by having less EA, and that was my gripe. Low mongoloid does not mean not Azerbaijani.

I can't post my own results, because they aren't ready yet. Still processing.

Agree in general but just one thing I don't understand: When a result is southern with low mongoloid (like Kurds) you are quick to judge that the person cannot be Azerbaijani and must be a Kurd but when one is northern shifted and low mongoloid he is a regular Azerbaijani (not saying they aren't but I just question the double standard).

**Sterling Archer** · 03-05-2021, 07:52 PM

Udi (I assume):

Gedrosia 21.34 Pct
Siberian 2 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.91 Pct
Atlantic_Med 10.09 Pct
North_European 4.9 Pct
South_Asian 2.49 Pct
East_African 0.82 Pct
Southwest_Asian 12.85 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 44.6 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Udi
4.88610274 Udi_Azerbaijan
4.89882639 Zaza
4.96387953 Turk_East
6.49346595 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.92439167 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.05385001 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.14128140 Kurd_Adygea
7.52671907 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.68072262 Armenian_East
7.91586382 Azeri_Jew
8.00511087 Iraq_Turkmen
8.27809761 Yazidi
8.28920382 Armenian_West
8.37848435 Kurd_Sorani
8.38055487 Assyrian_North
8.49263210 Azerbaijani
8.76447374 Assyrian_South
8.97590664 Assyrian_West
9.00599245 Turk_Southeast
9.55984833 Lur_Iran
9.73839823 Mandean
9.81856405 Iranian_Jew
9.89043983 Iranian
9.90787566 Turk_Central_East
10.64595698 Turk_Ahiska

**Sterling Archer** · 03-05-2021, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Kyp

Agree in general but just one thing I don't understand: When a result is southern with low mongoloid (like Kurds) you are quick to judge that the person cannot be Azerbaijani and must be a Kurd but when one is northern shifted and low mongoloid he is a regular Azerbaijani (not saying they aren't but I just question the double standard).

I say it only when the proximity does not match, like if their top pops aren't Azerbaijani (what comes to mind recently is Zaza for example.). And I don't say can't be, I say probably isn't )) Again, only based on the proximity.
The other thing is, those three Absheron results were north shifted (go check them if you don't remember our discussion), I still said that they were probably not Azerbaijani, and once again based purely on numerical results. I have fairly been consistent in this.
Other than that, makes no difference to me.

The other thing is Kurds often get swept under the rug in Azerbaijan, mores so than others, which I think is not fair.
Recently even watched about the documentary about Kurds in Azerbaijan and how they lost their identity. Shame really.

**Leto** · 03-05-2021, 07:59 PM

How many Udi samples are there available? I know only three. If there are more, the reference should be updated, 'cause three is a low sample size.

**Javid** · 03-05-2021, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by Kyp

Agree in general but just one thing I don't understand: When a result is southern with low mongoloid (like Kurds) you are quick to judge that the person cannot be Azerbaijani and must be a Kurd but when one is northern shifted and low mongoloid he is a regular Azerbaijani (not saying they aren't but I just question the double standard).

He's from North region of the Republic. I think that's the reason for his double standards. He tries to show that Azerbaijanis from Republic is very different from Azerbaijanis of Iran. We even argued about this topic on this forum.

**Sterling Archer** · 03-05-2021, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Javid

He's from North region of the Republic. I think that's the reason for his double standards. He tries to show that Azerbaijanis from Republic is very different from Azerbaijanis of Iran. We even argued about this topic on this forum.

You guessed my foul purpose. I am surprised you did not say I was an Armenian spy planted in order to break apart Azerbaijani people, but you'll get there

Then, as now, you have nothing substantial to contribute to discussion. This is the most often used, and the laziest way of conducting an argument in Azerbaijani part of the internet.

PS (not really): Ad Hominem is an attempt to shift the discussion from an Idea to a Person. A smart person will not allow this to happen ...
... being either overcome with emotion as they cleave to their refuted argument, or being untutored in the fact that personal attacks during a logical argument diminish the standing of their own position, they turn against their opponent in personal and logically irrelevant ways

**Sterling Archer** · 03-05-2021, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

How many Udi samples are there available? I know only three. If there are more, the reference should be updated, 'cause three is a low sample size.

This is the second sample I have seen. Unfortunately I don't have any other.

**Javid** · 03-06-2021, 01:30 AM

Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

You guessed my foul purpose. I am surprised you did not say I was an Armenian spy planted in order to break apart Azerbaijani people, but you'll get there

Then, as now, you have nothing substantial to contribute to discussion. This is the most often used, and the laziest way of conducting an argument in Azerbaijani part of the internet.

PS (not really): Ad Hominem is an attempt to shift the discussion from an Idea to a Person. A smart person will not allow this to happen ...
... being either overcome with emotion as they cleave to their refuted argument, or being untutored in the fact that personal attacks during a logical argument diminish the standing of their own position, they turn against their opponent in personal and logically irrelevant ways

WTF is this? I didn't mean any of those. I just said that you mostly share mixed Azerbaijani results with unusually low Mongoloid and high European. The possible reason for that could be that you are from North region which has low Mongoloid and high European.

And additionally for some reason you have problem with South Azerbaijan. When Gedrosia or SWA is a little bit high you immediately say he/she is Kurdish or Talysh. And again according to you Iranian Azerbaijanis are very different from Republic (you even said that they are more closer to Iranians than Republic Azerbaijanis!) and they mixed with Kurds, Talish and etc.

I'm not saying you're enemy of Azerbaijan or anything stupid like that and there's no any personal attack. You are just not objective and try to show all Azerbaijanis are like Azerbaijanis from North.