Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

[Zoro]

I try to stay out of discussions using Admixture program to infer "Mongoloid" or "E Asian" because it's not used in the scientific community to calculate total Mongoloid or E Asian in populations. Instead statistical tools are used for this purpose.

A blanket statement like Kurds have low "Mongolid" is not factually correct, at least based on statistical tools used to infer this type of admixture.

The statement should instead be qualified as Kurds score lower Siberian or E. Asian using the Dodecad K12 calculator.

I would also like to point out that Gedrosian is proportional to Iran-N. Gedrosian or Iran-N is something the Kurds score on the higher side relatively speaking. The Paleolithic Caucasus paper by Harvard modeled Iran-N using qpAdm as about 11% E/S Eurasian Onge like + some 20% ANE related (below). CHG is also shown

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Although I have no proof as to how much "Mongoloid" Azeris score in statistical tools such as qpAdm because there are no public 1240K Azeri samples I'm aware of, the Reich dataset does contain 2 Kayseri Turkish samples. When I modeled Iraqi Kurds and Kayseri Turks as Armenian/Georgian/Iranian + E Asian/Siberian I so no evidence whatsoever that Kayseri Turks had higher E. Eurasian than Iraqi Kurds.

[Sterling Archer]

WTF is this? I didn't mean any of those. I just said that you mostly share mixed Azerbaijani results with unusually low Mongoloid and high European. The possible reason for that could be that you are from North region which has low Mongoloid and high European.

And I am saying you don't understand jack shit. I share results that I found, and that are not in Kyp's spreadsheet. Just so happens that he went scorched earth and most of the samples are already on his list.
Don't talk if you have no idea what is going on.

And additionally for some reason you have problem with South Azerbaijan. When Gedrosia or SWA is a little bit high you immediately say he/she is Kurdish or Talysh. And again according to you Iranian Azerbaijanis are very different from Republic (you even said that they are more closer to Iranians than Republic Azerbaijanis!) and they mixed with Kurds, Talish and etc.

No, I only say it if their top pops are Kurds, not the other way around. I had the same position regarding high NE sample from Absheron. Again, if you actually read instead of resorting to Ad Hominem, you'd see that.

I'm not saying you're enemy of Azerbaijan or anything stupid like that and there's no any personal attack. You are just not objective and try to show all Azerbaijanis are like Azerbaijanis from North.

You actually did say that. What you wrote was a personal attack, as you have nothing substation to add to the discussion.

I'll keep sharing samples, you are welcome to do so too. Or you can sit and skulk.

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani:
Salimov,20.96,3.83,0.58,1.56,8.07,9.27,3.8,0,11.44 ,1.25,39.24,0

Distance to: Salimov
3.09025889 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.38251386 Azerbaijani_Turkey
3.45068109 Azerbaijani
5.68836532 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.77770716 Turk_Southeast
6.26101429 Zaza
6.68290356 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.94517098 Iraq_Turkmen
7.10154913 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.11219375 Kurd_Adygea
7.31701442 Yazidi
7.51406681 Kurd_Sorani
7.73736389 Turk_Central_East
8.27337295 Turk_South
8.55153203 Turk_East
8.59569660 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.08854774 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.22865104 Iranian
9.73456214 Turk_Central_West
9.75561889 Lur_Iran
10.06006958 Iranian_Fars
11.28747093 Iran_Khorasan
11.73663495 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.73750825 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.00479071 Turk_Southwest

[Sterling Archer]

Maybe Talysh, but I am not sure.

Gedrosia 21.52 Pct
Siberian 3.16 Pct
Northwest_African 1 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.66 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.39 Pct
North_European 9.09 Pct
South_Asian 3.31 Pct
East_African 1.84 Pct
Southwest_Asian 8.71 Pct
East_Asian 0.67 Pct
Caucasus 43.65 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distanceto:
6.62531509 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.86964337 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.1616688 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.30973324 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.618891 Zaza
7.63607229 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.17568346 Azerbaijani
8.34341057 Turk_East
8.51338358 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.59102439 Kurd_Adygea
9.68591761 Iranian
9.86345274 Yazidi
10.37516265 Kurd_Sorani
10.43998563 Turk_Southeast
10.53099236 Iraq_Turkmen
10.9297301 Adyghe
10.96047444 Turk_Central_East
11.08353734 Ingush
11.15329548 Turk_Ahiska
11.24650612 Lur_Iran
11.26793237 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.76477369 Ossetian
11.88429636 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.00953371 Karachay
12.08617806 Armenian_East

[Saba]

Maybe Qashqai? Could you pm me his Kitnumber?

could you pm me the kit number as well ?

[Leto]

Udi (I assume):

Gedrosia 21.34 Pct
Siberian 2 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.91 Pct
Atlantic_Med 10.09 Pct
North_European 4.9 Pct
South_Asian 2.49 Pct
East_African 0.82 Pct
Southwest_Asian 12.85 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 44.6 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

These are the Udis I've found

Kit number: UZ7732905

Population
Gedrosia 22.76 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.33 Pct
North_European 8.41 Pct
South_Asian 0.6 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.7 Pct
East_Asian 1.22 Pct
Caucasus 45.98 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Kit number: UT1711840

Population
Gedrosia 20.94 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 1.83 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 11.15 Pct
North_European 7.12 Pct
South_Asian 1.85 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.41 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 45.7 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Kit number: RE2062633

Population
Gedrosia 20.39 Pct
Siberian 0.8 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.32 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.81 Pct
North_European 10.13 Pct
South_Asian 0.68 Pct
East_African 0.11 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.01 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 46.75 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Kit number: T510848

Population
Gedrosia 20.55 Pct
Siberian 1.43 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.28 Pct
North_European 9.4 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 10.79 Pct
East_Asian 0.99 Pct
Caucasus 47.52 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


Kit number: YH3653037

Population
Gedrosia 23.15 Pct
Siberian 0.38 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.05 Pct
Atlantic_Med 8.49 Pct
North_European 8.38 Pct
South_Asian 0.86 Pct
East_African 0.65 Pct
Southwest_Asian 11.41 Pct
East_Asian 0.2 Pct
Caucasus 44.47 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.95 Pct

Let's update the average, 5 samples is much better, especially for such a tiny ethnic group (unlike the Georgians whom you called 'tiny').

Udi,21.52,0.77,0.31,0.38,9.36,8.06,1.08,0.26,11.86,0.40,45.84,0.16

[Sterling Archer]

This was earlier shared by Kyp. Looks like Udi, but with some EA admixture.

zara,20.07,3.56,0.3,0.79,5.28,10.61,1.57,0.5,11,1. 3,44.87,0.17

Distance to: zara
6.22454818 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.89066035 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.94802850 Turk_East
7.72383972 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.79316367 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.82625709 Zaza
7.91844682 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.22758774 Azerbaijani
9.08007159 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.40192002 Kurd_Adygea
9.80175494 Turk_Ahiska
9.80381558 Adyghe
9.89229498 Turk_Southeast
9.95279860 Turk_Central_East
10.30583815 Armenian_East
10.75552416 Ossetian
10.77412641 Ingush
10.81364878 Iraq_Turkmen
10.92023351 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.94223469 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.00466265 Kurd_Sorani
11.04891397 Yazidi
11.16611392 Karachay
11.29045172 Abazin
11.29689338 Iranian

unlike the Georgians whom you called 'tiny').

I called the country tiny (not the people), maybe I should have said small, which also applies to Azerbaijan. Especially sandwiched between truly big countries like Russia, Iran and Turkey.

[Kyp]

This was earlier shared by Kyp. Looks like Udi, but with some EA admixture.

zara,20.07,3.56,0.3,0.79,5.28,10.61,1.57,0.5,11,1. 3,44.87,0.17

Distance to: zara
6.22454818 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.89066035 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.94802850 Turk_East
7.72383972 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.79316367 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.82625709 Zaza
7.91844682 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.22758774 Azerbaijani
9.08007159 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.40192002 Kurd_Adygea
9.80175494 Turk_Ahiska
9.80381558 Adyghe
9.89229498 Turk_Southeast
9.95279860 Turk_Central_East
10.30583815 Armenian_East
10.75552416 Ossetian
10.77412641 Ingush
10.81364878 Iraq_Turkmen
10.92023351 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.94223469 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.00466265 Kurd_Sorani
11.04891397 Yazidi
11.16611392 Karachay
11.29045172 Abazin
11.29689338 Iranian


I called the country tiny (not the people), maybe I should have said small, which also applies to Azerbaijan. Especially sandwiched between truly big countries like Russia, Iran and Turkey.

Distance to: zara
5.64880518 Azerbaijani_North
6.22454818 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.89066035 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.94802850 Turk_East
7.72383972 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.79316367 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.82625709 Zaza
7.91844682 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.22758774 Azerbaijani
9.08007159 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.40192002 Kurd_Adygea
9.63561622 Azerbaijani_Northwest
9.80175494 Turk_Ahiska
9.80381558 Adyghe
9.89229498 Turk_Southeast
9.95279860 Turk_Central_East
10.30583815 Armenian_East
10.75552416 Ossetian
10.77412641 Ingush
10.81364878 Iraq_Turkmen
10.92023351 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.94223469 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.00466265 Kurd_Sorani
11.04891397 Yazidi
11.16611392 Karachay

[Sterling Archer]

Another Talysh:

Gedrosia 26.93 Pct
Siberian 0.47 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.49 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.67 Pct
North_European 7.89 Pct
South_Asian 2.91 Pct
East_African 0.46 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13 Pct
East_Asian 2.12 Pct
Caucasus 40.06 Pct
Sub_Saharan -



Distance to: talysh
3.07792138 Talysh_Azerbaijan
3.42191467 Kurd_Adygea
3.65931688 Iranian
4.24390151 Yazidi
4.75807734 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.88635856 Lur_Iran
5.09479146 Zaza
5.34782199 Kurd_Sorani
6.23142841 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.76718553 Iranian_Fars
7.51152448 Iraq_Turkmen
7.80115376 Azerbaijani
7.99651174 Iran_Mazandaran
8.25694859 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.81419310 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.53598448 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.00906589 Iran_Khorasan
10.94310285 Turk_Southeast
11.92803840 Turk_East
12.90463870 Iraqi_Baghdad
13.81290701 Turk_Central_East
14.06270955 Mandean
14.24281222 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
14.38701845 Azeri_Jew
14.64869619 Turk_South

[Sterling Archer]

Azerbaijani:

Gedrosia 22.59 Pct
Siberian 0.68 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.18 Pct
North_European 12.72 Pct
South_Asian 2.1 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.43 Pct
East_Asian 1.57 Pct
Caucasus 43.72 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Narmin
5.74665990 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.81017621 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.81560709 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.36920620 Zaza
7.81005122 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.83026181 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.25261777 Azerbaijani
8.31703072 Kurd_Adygea
8.42896198 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.96131687 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
9.20057607 Turk_East
9.88546913 Ingush
9.98469829 Yazidi
10.11521132 Iranian
10.11676332 Kurd_Sorani
10.16168785 Adyghe

Running this previous sample with Kyp's Azerbaijani_North average. Much better fit:
Distance to: Narmin
4.15195135 Azerbaijani_North
5.74665990 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.81017621 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.81560709 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.36920620 Zaza
7.81005122 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.83026181 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.25261777 Azerbaijani
8.31703072 Kurd_Adygea
8.42896198 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.96131687 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
9.20057607 Turk_East
9.88546913 Ingush
9.98469829 Yazidi
10.11521132 Iranian
10.11676332 Kurd_Sorani
10.16168785 Adyghe
10.83484195 Turk_Southeast
11.02097546 Iraq_Turkmen
11.09746367 Kumyk
11.47187866 Ossetian
11.58668633 Turk_Ahiska
11.63015907 Karachay
11.75951955 Turk_Central_East
11.77513482 Lur_Iran