Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

**Kyp** · 03-14-2021, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Afghanistan aka Aryana is excluded? Just don't tell 'em they're South Asians.

Tried to include it but gave up halfway through. Just too complex.

**Edgü** · 03-15-2021, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by placebo

önceki tartışmanızın nerede geçtiğini veya ne olduğunu gram bilmiyorum pek umrumda da değil fakat diğer arkadaşın gördüğüm diğer postlarında hep türkiye türklüğü ile alakalı yorumlarını hatırlıyorum daha bugün ziya gökalpten bahsetmişti. beni alıntıladığı yorumda da doğu avrasya oranı hiç olmasa veya az olsa bile muğladan ığdıra kadar yaşayan herkes gibi türksün derken bunu kastetmek istedi bence. eğer şuan dediğini kastedip tatarları türk olarak görmüyorsa haklısın.

Demek ki yanlış hatırlıyorsun konu Türkiye'deki Türklerle alakalı bir konu değildi

Originally Posted by Gecko

Hazaras are descendants of the Ilkhanate. They don’t speak a Turkic language and are literally Iranified Mongols, also genetically. They could have absorbed Turkic elements which don’t make them Turkic. No serious historian would say that Hazaras are of Turkic origin, putting everyone in Central Asia into your own ethnic sphere is a foolish behavior. This is a thread about West/Centralasia which includes many ethnicities, so i think if someone is interested to give a opinion or whatever it should be in English since many non West/Centralasian are interested in this thread too. I think talking in a language which most here don’t understand is a bit unfair, since most non-English postings here are off topic. I think members who are active here on this thread can confirm that i have at least a basic information about most people whom results are showed here. And if someone is not agreeing with another’s opinion or posting everyone here is able to discuss with serious members. It is annoying that every 10 pages this guy is talking nonsense and some even are responding.

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Originally Posted by Altaylı

Hazaralar Türklerle karıştığı için Türki kavimlere yakınlar
Hazaralar moğol kökenli bir halk

Hazaralar tek bir kökenden gelmemekte bunu Y-DNA Haplogruplarına mTDNA Haplogruplarına ve genetik plotlarına bakıp söylemek için alim olmana gerek yok sadece aşiret adlarına bakarak da ne olduklarını anlayabiliyorsun ayrıca şunu da ekleyeyim:

Myres et al. (2011), Di Cristofaro et al. (2013), and Lippold et al. (2014) all agree that the Y-DNA of 32% (8/25) of the HGDP sample of Pakistani Hazara should belong to haplogroup R-M478/M73. Myres et al. (2011) found a high frequency of R-M73 among their sample of Bashkirs from southeast Bashkortostan (77/329 = 23.4% R1b-M73) Besides the high frequency of R-M73 in southeastern Bashkirs, Myres et al. also reported finding R-M73 in the following samples: 10.3% (14/136) of Balkars from the northwest Caucasus, 9.4% (8/85) of the HGDP samples from northern Pakistan (these are the aforementioned Pakistani Hazaras), 5.8% (4/69) of Karachays from the northwest Caucasus, 2.6% (1/39) of Tatars from Bashkortostan, 1.9% (1/54) of Bashkirs from southwest Bashkortostan, 1.5% (1/67) of Megrels from the south Caucasus, 1.4% (1/70) of Bashkirs from north Bashkortostan, 1.3% (1/80) of Tatars from Kazan, 1.1% (1/89) of a sample from Cappadocia, Turkey, 0.7% (1/141) of Kabardians from the northwest Caucasus, 0.6% (3/522) of a pool of samples from Turkey, and 0.38% (1/263) of Russians from Central Russia.

Karafet et al. (2018) found R-M73 in 37.5% (15/40) of a sample of Teleuts from Bekovo, Kemerovo oblast, 4.5% (3/66) of a sample of Uyghurs from Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, 3.4% (1/29) of a sample of Kazakhs from Kazakhstan, 2.3% (3/129) of a sample of Selkups, 2.3% (1/44) of a sample of Turkmens from Turkmenistan, and 0.7% (1/136) of a sample of Iranians from Iran.[53] Four of these individuals (one of the Teleuts, one of the Uyghurs, the Kazakh, and the Iranian) appear to belong to the aforementioned cluster marked by DYS390=19 (the Kumandin-Mongol R-M73 cluster); the Teleut and the Uyghur also share the modal values at the DYS385 and the DYS389 loci. The Iranian differs from the modal for this cluster by having 13-16 (or 13-29) at DYS389 instead of 14-16 (or 14-30). The Kazakh differs from the modal by having 13–14 at DYS385 instead of 13-13. The other fourteen Teleuts and the three Selkups appear to belong to the Teleut-Shor-Khakassian R-M73 cluster from the data set of Malyarchuk et al. (2011); this cluster has the modal values of DYS390=22 (but 21 in the case of two Teleuts and one Khakassian), DYS385=13-16, and DYS389=13-17 (or 13–30, but 14–31 in the case of one Selkup).

A Kazakhstani paper published in 2017

Spoiler!

Ashirbekov EE, Botbaev DM, Belkozhaev AM, Abayldaev AO, Neupokoeva AS, Mukhataev JE, et al. (2017). "Distribution of Y-Chromosome Haplogroups of the Kazakh from the South Kazakhstan, Zhambyl, and Almaty Regions". Reports of the National Academy of Sciences of the Republic of Kazakhstan. 6 (316): 85–95. ISSN 2224-5227

found haplogroup R1b-M478 Y-DNA in 3.17% (41/1294) of a sample of Kazakhs from Kazakhstan, with this haplogroup being observed with greater than average frequency among members of the Qypshaq(Kıpçak) (12/29 = 41.4%), Ysty (6/57 = 10.5%), Qongyrat (8/95 = 8.4%), Oshaqty (2/29 = 6.9%), Kerey (1/28 = 3.6%), and Jetyru (3/86 = 3.5%) tribes.[54] A Chinese paper published in 2018 found haplogroup R1b-M478 Y-DNA in 9.2% (7/76) of a sample of Dolan Uyghurs from Horiqol township, Awat County, Xinjiang.

Aşiret adları: Telew(Tiele), Qarlugh(Karluk, Qarluq), Turkmani(Turkoman, Turkmen), Uighur(Uygur), Yamood(Yomut), Qul Bars, Kyrgyz(Kırgız), Qazaq(Kazakh), Qipchak(Kıpchak)... vs

Kavim olarak Turco-Mongol(Türk-Moğol) olarak geçiyorlar çoğunun atası ya Moğol ya Türk onlara

"Literally Iranified Mongols"

demek Türkün adına bok sürmekten başka bir şey değildir

No serious historian would say that Hazaras are of Turkic origin

Historians lie genetics don't lie

Putting everyone in Central Asia into your own ethnic sphere is a foolish behavior.

Yeah yeah they were AAALLLLLLL Indo-Europeans and Mongols right ?

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Spoiler!

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Are Teleuts "Iranified Mongols" too ?

**Leto** · 03-15-2021, 02:48 PM

Edgü, weren't you banned? Why are you spamming again? Gecko won't respond, he dislikes you and Altayli as trolls and spammers. That's the message from him.

ONCE AGAIN: spamming and irrelevant stuff are NOT welcome. Old results that everyone knows are NOT welcome.

**Edgü** · 03-15-2021, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Edgü, weren't you banned? Why are you spamming again? Gecko won't respond, he dislikes you and Altayli as trolls and spammers. That's the message from him.

Ruski are you his message delivery boy now anyway i wasn't speaking with you why are you so mad ?

**~~Altaylı~~** · 03-15-2021, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Edgü, weren't you banned? Why are you spamming again? Gecko won't respond, he dislikes you and Altayli as trolls and spammers. That's the message from him.

ONCE AGAIN: spamming and irrelevant stuff are NOT welcome. Old results that everyone knows are NOT welcome.

i am not posting old results also why he is disliking me i didn`t do bad things to him

**Leto** · 03-15-2021, 03:01 PM

Okay, I'm giving up on this shit. My involvement is a mistake.

**~~Altaylı~~** · 03-15-2021, 03:05 PM

this is leto:

**Leto** · 03-15-2021, 04:09 PM

Chechen (may not be new but just reuploaded)

Gedrosia 24.77 Pct
Siberian 3.36 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 2.6 Pct
North_European 24.26 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.23 Pct
East_Asian 0.77 Pct
Caucasus 40.98 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Shamil
4.32803651 Lak
4.87035933 Kubachi_Dagestan
5.00086992 Chechen
5.94732713 Avar
6.00028333 Kaitag_Dagestan
6.10476044 Lezgin
6.50283015 Tabasaran
7.11030238 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
7.26472986 Dargin
7.58137850 Kumyk
8.04443286 Ingush
9.91091822 Balkar
10.75999071 Karachay
10.90289870 Kabardin
11.48527753 Abazin
11.53861777 Circassian
11.65558664 Adyghe
12.22309290 Ossetian
12.61478894 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
14.53849029 Ossetian_South

Distance to: Shamil
2.43731358 19.60% Georgian_Svan + 80.40% Kaitag_Dagestan
2.57492271 72.60% Kaitag_Dagestan + 27.40% Ossetian_South
2.69955779 73.00% Avar + 27.00% Ossetian_South
2.72086708 21.60% Abkhazian + 78.40% Kaitag_Dagestan
2.75862948 17.20% Georgian_Mingrelian + 82.80% Kaitag_Dagestan
2.79940079 81.00% Avar + 19.00% Georgian_Svan
2.82049698 49.00% Chechen + 51.00% Kubachi_Dagestan
2.82712222 81.40% Lak + 18.60% Ossetian_South
2.86726384 18.20% Georgian_Gurian + 81.80% Kaitag_Dagestan
2.88075277 12.60% Georgian_Svan + 87.40% Lak
2.89072330 29.20% Balkar + 70.80% Kubachi_Dagestan
2.91647159 44.00% Avar + 56.00% Chechen
2.92941034 44.00% Chechen + 56.00% Lak
2.93043305 29.00% Ossetian_South + 71.00% Tabasaran
2.93275188 21.00% Abkhazian + 79.00% Avar
2.96331928 56.40% Chechen + 43.60% Kaitag_Dagestan
2.96542520 75.40% Kubachi_Dagestan + 24.60% Ossetian
2.96916124 27.20% Karachay + 72.80% Kubachi_Dagestan
2.97555947 14.00% Abkhazian + 86.00% Lak
3.00309235 18.40% Georgian + 81.60% Kaitag_Dagestan

**~~RatCat~~** · 03-17-2021, 06:44 PM

I have 2 new matches! An Adyghe with high Atlantic_med + low gedrosia and a Pontic Greek

Adyghe

Y-DNA: G-FT69558

Population
Gedrosia 16.36 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.51 Pct
North_European 17.78 Pct
South_Asian 1.6 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.42 Pct
East_Asian 2.81 Pct
Caucasus 48.37 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.16 Pct

Distance to: Tsey
5.70516433 Adyghe
6.32508498 Circassian
7.41047907 Abazin
7.78601952 Balkar
8.36037081 Kabardin
8.98400245 Ingush
10.36197375 Kumyk
10.52322669 Chechen
10.64259367 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.36466014 Abkhazian
13.07735830 Turk_Ahiska
13.27846000 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
14.08004616 Georgian
14.09384263 Turk_East
14.34365713 Udi
14.47506131 Georgian_Gurian
14.80860898 Georgian_Svan
15.19987171 Turk_Central_East
15.49218190 Azerbaijani_Turkey
15.57255920 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
15.84852044 Armenian_East
16.19530488 Turk_West_BlackSea
16.21710517 Turk_East_Black_Sea
16.44082723 Georgian_Imereti
16.54613550 Turk_Central_West

Target: Tsey
Distance: 3.1946% / 3.19464357 | R2P
77.1 Georgian_Svan
22.9 Bavarian_German

Target: Tsey
Distance: 2.0265% / 2.02651780 | R3P
77.4 Georgian_Mingrelian
19.8 Danish
2.8 Japanese

Target: Tsey
Distance: 3.2063% / 3.20628689 | ADC: 0.25x RC
45.8 Abkhazian
23.6 Circassian
18.3 Macedonian
12.3 Georgian_Gurian

Pontic Greek

Population
Gedrosia 15.24 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 2.26 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.33 Pct
North_European 5.57 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 55.61 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Panagiota
3.07920444 Hemshin
3.24041664 Turk_East_Black_Sea
3.94144644 Laz
3.97665689 Greek_Pontus
6.51153592 Turk_Ahiska
6.75635997 Armenian_East
7.10136607 Georgian_Adjara
8.55301117 Armenian_West
9.10047801 Georgian
9.31273322 Georgian_Imereti
10.62892281 Georgian_Gurian
10.94164521 Turk_East
11.62782439 Georgian_Mingrelian
11.93370856 Assyrian_West
12.00317458 Assyrian_North
12.12729566 Udi
12.25047346 Abkhazian
12.32007305 Azeri_Jew
12.38144176 Assyrian_South
13.18920392 Greek_Cappadocia
13.46349509 Georgian_Svan
15.26110088 Kurdish_Jew
15.71430877 Iranian_Jew
16.01822087 Iraqi_Jew
16.25132302 Ossetian_South

Target: Panagiota
Distance: 1.5447% / 1.54471940 | ADC: 0.25x RC
47.4 Hemshin
26.0 Greek_Pontus
20.0 Georgian_Gurian
5.1 Coptic
1.5 Algerian

Target: Panagiota
Distance: 2.0666% / 2.06663068 | ADC: 0.5x RC
79.9 Hemshin
15.0 Turk_East_Black_Sea
5.1 Coptic

Target: Panagiota
Distance: 1.9173% / 1.91725571 | R2P
91.0 Laz
9.0 Coptic

**Kyp** · 03-17-2021, 11:01 PM

Turk from Denizli & Mugla

Gedrosia: 11.69
Siberian: 6.11
NW_African: 5.41
SE_Asian: 0.15
Atlantic_Med: 15.48
North_European: 12.57
South_Asia: 1.10
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 11.67
East_Asian: 6.31
Caucasus: 29.66
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: TurkDenizliMugla
6.63168154 Turk_Northwest
7.62369989 Turk_Southwest
9.31989270 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.25469161 Turk_Central_West
10.98103365 Turk_South
11.89706266 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
12.81429280 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
13.40276837 Turk_Central_East
13.98695464 Turk_Southeast
14.75227101 Greek_Lemnos
14.90793748 Greek_Fournoi
15.05139528 Moldavian_Jewish
15.09159700 Greek_Crete
15.59944871 Italian_Sicily
15.64137142 Italian_Apulia
15.77167715 Ashkenazi_Jews
15.83056853 Turk_Cyprus
16.13377823 Azerbaijani
16.16880639 Greek_Izmir
16.29992638 Turk_Trakya
16.35363568 Greek_Kos
16.38210609 Italian_Calabria
16.90464433 Greek_Foca
16.96857095 Azerbaijani_Turkey
17.05322550 Italian_Jews

Target: TurkDenizliMugla
Distance: 1.8612% / 1.86118327 | ADC: 0.25x RC
70.2 Turk_Northwest
8.9 Algerian
8.6 Morocco_Jews
6.3 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
3.9 Nogai_Astrakhan
1.9 Kuwait2
0.2 Saudi