Serbian autosomal DNA #2

[blueeyes]

Decided to take up Feiichy's idea for myself. I'd say the sampling here is fair considering the absurdely low distances to all of the balkan averages, but if you have any suggestions, feel free to add.

Target: Bosniak
Distance: 0.2649% / 0.26486108
62.7 Slavic
19.0 Paleo_Balkan
12.0 Eastern_Mediterranean
6.3 Germanic

Target: Serb
Distance: 0.1302% / 0.13022115
55.2 Slavic
31.3 Paleo_Balkan
7.9 Eastern_Mediterranean
5.6 Germanic

Target: Montenegrin
Distance: 0.3155% / 0.31548324
43.0 Slavic
30.9 Paleo_Balkan
17.1 Eastern_Mediterranean
9.0 Germanic

Target: Macedonian
Distance: 0.4005% / 0.40054855
46.7 Paleo_Balkan
36.4 Slavic
12.3 Eastern_Mediterranean
4.6 Germanic

Target: Albanian
Distance: 0.5368% / 0.53677785
58.2 Paleo_Balkan
27.6 Slavic
11.5 Eastern_Mediterranean
2.7 Germanic

Target: Bulgarian
Distance: 0.0814% / 0.08138267
43.3 Slavic
29.1 Paleo_Balkan
21.6 Eastern_Mediterranean
6.0 Germanic

The amount of Slavic blood seems to be greatly exaggerated! Serbs and Bosniaks are too dark to be 50-65% Slavic. They look like pure Paleo-Balkan who just speaking Slavic language.
Albanians aren't 28% Slavic either.

[CommonSense]

The amount of Slavic blood seems to be greatly exaggerated! Serbs and Bosniaks are too dark to be 50-65% Slavic. They look like pure Paleo-Balkan who just speaking Slavic language.
Albanians aren't 28% Slavic either.

Not sure what that's supposed to mean. There are even ethnic Russian indviduals who look Balkan. Our ethnogenesis happened in the Early Middle Ages. Phenotype and pigmentation can easily change within a few generations, let alone a period over a millenium.

[vbnetkhio]

Decided to take up Feiichy's idea for myself. I'd say the sampling here is fair considering the absurdely low distances to all of the balkan averages, but if you have any suggestions, feel free to add.

imo, by the time Slavs arrived, the Mycenaean cluster probably didn't exist anymore, especially in the northern part of the Balkans.
They give a good fit for Serbs, but then the Slavic gets overestimated:

Distance to: Dušan
1.79944108 41.40% Paleo_Balkan/MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_ + 58.60% Slavic/Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a_
2.30020233 33.60% Paleo_Balkan/I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp + 66.40% Slavic/Viking_Poland_Cedynia_VK212
2.38761442 31.80% Paleo_Balkan/I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp + 68.20% Slavic/AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_
2.56403743 42.20% Paleo_Balkan/MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_ + 57.80% Slavic/Viking_Sweden_Gotland_VK454
2.89198780 28.60% Paleo_Balkan/I9033_Mycenaean_1352_bc_M_ + 71.40% Slavic/Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a_
2.91615950 24.60% Paleo_Balkan/I9033_Mycenaean_1352_bc_M_ + 75.40% Slavic/Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_VK541
3.00537627 26.00% Paleo_Balkan/I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp + 74.00% Slavic/Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a_
3.08740914 25.60% Paleo_Balkan/I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp + 74.40% Slavic/Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_VK541
3.15846542 48.00% Paleo_Balkan/MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_ + 52.00% Slavic/AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_
3.31129070 50.20% Paleo_Balkan/MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_ + 49.80% Slavic/Viking_Poland_Cedynia_VK212

The Serb average gets modelled like this too.
something like MJ12 is more realistic for our pre-Slavic population. Maybe not closely related to it, but a similar overall autosomal mix.

These are the G25 samples which represent what could've been in the balkans when the Slavs arrived, in my opinion:

Balkan_IA_Roman:BGR_IA_I5769,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
Balkan_IA_Roman:DEU_MA_ACD_NW_54,0.129758,0.141159,0.024136,-0.000646,0.032929,-0.004183,0.009635,-0.005077,0.016771,0.015855,0.00747,0.002398,-0.011893,0.010872,-0.005836,-0.01127,-0.002999,0.003927,0.016215,-0.014757,-0.000624,0.011994,0.00912,0.002771,0.00467
Balkan_IA_Roman:DEU_MA_ACD_STR_310,0.111547,0.13405,0.02489,0.00323,0.011694,-0.006136,0.00611,0.006,-0.001432,0.012028,0.000812,0.007044,-0.011744,-0.008257,-0.008415,-0.00411,0.009909,-0.006588,-0.001508,0.006753,-0.000374,0.001855,0.000493,-0.003735,-0.00479
Balkan_IA_Roman:DEU_MA_Alemanic_Byzantine_NIEcap3b,0.124067,0.139128,0.026776,-0.007752,0.016926,-0.005857,0.00329,-0.000462,0.001841,0.015672,0.002598,0.007493,-0.011447,0.003028,-0.003936,-0.012331,-0.008866,0.002027,0.010307,-5e-04,-0.011729,0.002844,-0.002342,0.000964,-0.002994
Balkan_IA_Roman:DEU_MA_Alemanic_Byzantine_NIEcap3c,0.10927,0.152329,0.019987,-0.020672,0.022158,-0.006972,-0.00235,-0.002769,0.012885,0.032802,-0.002436,3e-04,-0.014866,0.000826,-0.000679,-0.004641,-0.000391,-0.005448,0.005154,0.000375,-0.00025,0.003833,-0.000986,0.010724,-0.00491
Balkan_IA_Roman:DEU_MA_o_STR_300,0.125205,0.165531,-0.001886,-0.05491,0.024004,-0.015339,0.009165,0.010384,0.003681,0.029887,0.00341,-0.000599,-0.009663,-0.006331,-0.029044,-0.005304,0.002868,-0.004814,-0.002765,-0.016758,-0.007237,0.009645,0.008381,0.00253,-0.004191
Balkan_IA_Roman:HRV_IA_I3313,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.01169,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
Balkan_IA_Roman:HUN_MA_Szolad_o1_SZ19,0.120652,0.167562,0.012822,-0.045866,0.035391,-0.022869,-0.00047,-0.000923,0.001023,0.045559,0.007145,0.01079,-0.013528,0.007844,-0.014115,-0.018297,-0.003129,0.003421,0.008547,-0.016258,-0.010232,0.003462,0.005793,0.007832,0.001317
Balkan_IA_Roman:HUN_MA_Szolad_SZ28,0.124067,0.148267,0.029793,-0.008075,0.032006,-0.006972,0.00047,-0.003461,0.015339,0.032074,-0.004547,0.007493,-0.014569,0.002064,-0.005293,0.000928,0.006389,0.00266,0.006662,-0.004627,0.004742,0.002226,-0.005176,-0.00494,-0.001557
Balkan_IA_Roman:HUN_MA_Szolad_SZ32,0.111547,0.157407,0.015085,-0.024871,0.026466,-0.015618,0.00141,-0.002308,0.005727,0.019135,0.002598,0.001798,-0.011298,-0.008808,-0.004072,0.002784,0.003651,0.001014,-0.000126,-0.002001,-0.006239,0.000495,0.00456,-0.01458,-0.001916
Balkan_IA_Roman:HUN_MA_Szolad_SZ36,0.117238,0.148267,0.011691,-0.025517,0.028313,-0.010319,0.003525,0.006923,0.00225,0.02041,0.003085,-0.000599,-0.009663,-0.004679,-0.001357,0.005834,0.00326,-0.000887,0.000377,0.001501,-0.008111,0.004451,0.006779,0.001566,-0.000479
Balkan_IA_Roman:HUN_MA_Szolad_SZ37,0.118376,0.139128,0.014708,-0.012597,0.01231,-0.006414,-0.004935,0.011769,0.004704,0.013121,-0.003735,0.004796,-0.013379,-0.001514,-0.008143,-0.00053,-0.00326,-0.005574,0.01257,-0.002626,-0.006738,0.006306,-0.000246,0.001807,-0.006706
Balkan_IA_Roman:HUN_MA_Szolad_SZ40,0.108132,0.149283,0.00264,-0.037791,0.018157,-0.010598,0.00094,-0.014538,0.003477,0.026789,-0.002436,0.008243,-0.007582,-0.008945,-0.00285,0.005304,0.020731,-0.003927,-0.000377,0.000375,-0.011355,0.00507,0.002218,0.00482,-0.005149
Balkan_IA_Roman:HUN_MA_Szolad_SZ43,0.122929,0.145221,0.01697,-0.019057,0.030775,-0.01506,-0.004465,-0.004154,0.009613,0.020775,0.002436,0.005545,-0.011596,-0.007019,0.00095,-0.006364,0.011343,0.000507,0.005656,-0.00075,-0.006239,0.000989,0.004314,0.006145,-0.001078
Balkan_IA_Roman:ITA_Collegno_MA_CL121,0.108132,0.152329,0.000754,-0.036822,0.019388,-0.022032,0.000235,-0.003692,0.000205,0.028793,-0.005846,0.01109,-0.011447,0.00055,0.000814,-0.006762,-0.009257,0.004814,-0.003394,-0.01013,-0.004991,0.003091,0.004437,0.00241,-0.007664
Balkan_IA_Roman:ITA_Collegno_MA_CL23,0.114961,0.142174,0.026776,-0.008398,0.02462,0.000558,-0.00282,-0.006231,0.011249,0.017495,-0.001949,0.006594,-0.01442,-0.010322,0.000543,-0.009679,-0.018254,-0.002534,0.005405,-0.01088,0.000125,-0.000371,0.001232,0.004458,-0.000958
Balkan_IA_Roman:ITA_Collegno_MA_CL36,0.117238,0.150298,0.025267,-0.018088,0.027082,-0.006414,-0.00658,-0.010384,0.004704,0.0277,0.00065,0.001349,-0.016353,-0.002615,-0.003122,-0.009149,-0.018515,0.000253,0.005531,-0.003627,0.004866,0,0.003204,0.002892,0.005029
Balkan_IA_Roman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1_CL25,0.105855,0.151314,-0.029415,-0.052972,0.001846,-0.015897,-0.00282,-0.004615,0.001227,0.016583,0.006496,0.007643,-0.010258,0.004266,-0.004343,-0.004243,0.009518,-0.006081,0.011187,0.002126,-0.004492,0.009398,0.001479,-0.002048,0
Balkan_IA_Roman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1_CL30,0.113823,0.150298,-0.026398,-0.056848,0.008001,-0.015897,0.005875,0.001846,0.006136,0.015308,0.010068,0.000599,-0.004757,0.003303,-0.0019,0.000133,0.005085,0.002787,0.004525,-0.001251,-0.001248,-0.008903,0.009983,-0.00253,-0.003233
Balkan_IA_Roman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1_CL38,0.101303,0.144205,-0.018856,-0.055556,0.007386,-0.016455,-0.00846,-0.008538,-0.004704,0.014397,0.004709,0.009591,-0.00996,-0.005643,-0.014251,0.000928,0.010561,0,-0.002263,0.001251,0.001123,0.006306,-0.002095,0.010001,0.008023
Balkan_IA_Roman:ITA_Proto-Villanovan:RMPR1,0.125205,0.138112,0.030547,-0.010982,0.023081,-0.011713,0.002115,-0.001846,0.006954,0.021139,0.008119,0.005845,-0.011596,-0.000826,-0.007465,-0.01432,-0.011604,0.005194,0.002765,-0.00988,-0.009733,0.001607,-0.002465,0.003976,-0.005508
Balkan_IA_Roman:Scythian_MDA_scy192,0.124067,0.137096,0.015462,-0.020026,0.015695,-0.012829,0.00235,0.000692,0.001023,0.025878,0.009419,-0.000599,-0.006987,-0.008945,-0.013301,-0.009679,0.012908,0.004307,-0.000377,0.003502,-0.011729,0.009892,-0.004314,-0.004338,0.001796
Balkan_IA_Roman:Scythian_MDA_scy197,0.122929,0.140143,0.029415,-0.023902,0.023081,-0.012829,0.015511,-0.005307,0.00225,0.035172,-0.005846,-0.001349,-0.01115,0.000275,-0.010586,-0.0118,0.001434,-0.000127,0.013324,-0.010255,-0.004742,-0.000989,0.003328,-0.002771,-0.008981
Balkan_IA_Roman:Scythian_MDA_scy300,0.1161,0.140143,0.025644,-0.031331,0.016618,-0.005299,-0.001645,-0.007384,0.007772,0.033531,0.006983,0.006744,-0.00446,-0.000963,-0.0095,0.002254,-0.000782,0.004561,0.012318,-0.006503,-0.004118,0.012489,-0.00037,-0.000723,0.010298
Balkan_IA_Roman:Scythian_MDA_scy305,0.118376,0.126941,0.010936,-0.014212,0.017849,-0.006693,-0.001175,-0.001154,0.00225,0.022415,-0.003897,0.007343,-0.013974,0.008257,-0.010179,0.000663,-0.005476,0.004181,0.016341,-0.008254,-0.009234,0.005812,-0.007395,0.007471,0.002754
Balkan_IA_Roman:UKR_Cimmerian_o_MJ12,0.135449,0.138112,0.015462,-0.012274,0.020927,-0.008088,0.00235,-0.007384,-0.006545,0.034625,0.000487,0.008542,-0.008325,-0.008533,-0.014522,0.005171,0.025946,-0.000127,0.011439,0.005878,-0.019091,0.007666,0.004067,0.011929,-0.000239
Greek_Dodecanese:664,0.106994,0.145221,-0.02489,-0.054587,0.002154,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.004384,-0.002863,0.019499,0.00341,0.002548,-0.002676,-0.005092,-0.016694,-0.00305,0.010952,0.007095,0.003142,-0.004377,0.00025,-0.004328,-0.004437,-0.006627,0.003233
Greek_Dodecanese:665,0.101303,0.15436,-0.033564,-0.064277,0.005232,-0.022869,0.00752,-0.006,0.001023,0.017495,0.005521,0.002098,-0.004311,-0.000413,-0.010722,-0.013657,-0.010431,0.006461,0.007919,-0.003126,-0.010357,0.010016,-0.001725,0.003976,-0.01916
Greek_Dodecanese:666,0.104717,0.140143,-0.032432,-0.072029,0.000308,-0.026216,-0.002115,-0.007615,-0.011862,0.015855,0.005846,0.004946,-0.004906,-0.008533,-0.012486,0.01127,0.021122,0.004687,-0.000377,-0.001251,0.003743,0.00136,-0.003697,-0.003856,0.004431
Greek_Dodecanese:667,0.110408,0.157407,-0.023759,-0.065246,-0.003077,-0.01757,0.00423,-0.002538,0.007158,0.016401,0,0.007343,0.002379,0.006055,-0.013843,-0.008353,-0.014473,0.007221,0.006159,-0.003001,-0.008859,-0.004328,0.005176,0.001807,-0.008622
Greek_Dodecanese:668,0.104717,0.149283,-0.021119,-0.062662,0.005232,-0.026216,0.006815,0.003231,-0.001432,0.016583,0.010555,-0.002548,-0.004757,0.005918,-0.016422,-0.003315,-0.001173,0.001774,0.00993,-0.003752,-0.010731,-0.007543,0.003204,0.002892,-0.001676
Greek_Dodecanese:669,0.104717,0.144205,-0.023004,-0.056202,0,-0.012829,0.00752,-0.005538,0.001227,0.011116,0.00341,-0.001349,-0.002676,-0.007432,-0.008143,-0.00053,0.008084,0.008361,0.006411,-0.005253,-0.008735,-0.002968,0.003574,0.013255,0.000479
Greek_Dodecanese:670,0.105855,0.142174,-0.029415,-0.045866,0.006155,-0.008088,-0.003055,-0.009,-0.001227,0.015855,0.012991,-3e-04,-0.004014,0.009496,-0.011536,0.00305,0.002217,0.003547,0.003017,-0.011881,-0.000374,0.00779,-0.004314,-0.005061,-0.006586
Greek_Dodecanese:671,0.10927,0.141159,-0.015462,-0.042636,0.004616,-0.018128,-0.00282,-0.007384,-0.006954,0.016219,0.003735,0.001649,-0.006987,-0.002615,-0.0057,0.005569,-0.005085,-0.000253,0.015084,-0.005002,0.001248,-0.002968,0.006039,-0.013375,-0.003113
Greek_Dodecanese:672,0.101303,0.148267,-0.025644,-0.068153,0.000308,-0.019801,0.011516,-0.001846,-0.007567,0.019681,0,0.003597,-0.006541,0.004679,-0.007872,0.001724,0.011083,0.008995,0.004651,-0.006628,-0.001123,-0.008285,0.001232,0.006507,0.002994
Greek_Dodecanese:673,0.110408,0.139128,-0.015085,-0.035853,0.000923,-0.009482,0.00423,-0.001154,-0.005522,0.017859,0.002598,0.002698,-0.010406,-0.007707,-0.020087,-0.005436,0.010691,0.00228,0.002765,-0.003252,-0.008111,0.001607,-0.001602,-0.008194,-0.006107
Greek_Kos:GreeceKos1,0.104717,0.148267,-0.021119,-0.055556,0.007078,-0.019801,-0.002585,-0.002538,-0.004909,0.021504,0.00406,0.002398,-0.005649,0.006744,-0.010043,-0.013922,-0.006519,0.003041,0.001006,-0.010505,-0.004617,0.000742,-0.002711,-0.011568,-0.005269
Greek_Kos:GreeceKos10,0.10927,0.150298,-0.02753,-0.044897,-0.006463,-0.020917,0.004935,-0.002538,-0.009613,0.016766,0.003735,0.004496,-0.001784,0.001789,-0.007872,0.002254,0.010431,0.001647,0.008296,-0.007379,-0.002121,0.003215,-0.004067,-0.001325,-0.003952
Greek_Kos:GreeceKos2,0.106994,0.146236,-0.01961,-0.057171,0.003693,-0.018965,0.004465,0,-0.000818,0.014761,0.004709,-0.002398,-0.003271,-0.004404,-0.015879,0.013126,0.019297,0,0.003771,0.007879,-0.002745,0.004081,0.004807,0.005663,-0.003832
Greek_Kos:GreeceKos4,0.106994,0.146236,-0.029038,-0.053941,0.002154,-0.01255,0.00141,-0.003692,-0.003272,0.009659,0.005684,0.003597,-0.002676,0.003716,-0.0095,0.001724,0.005476,-0.00152,-0.000754,-0.005628,-0.000873,-0.002968,-0.003328,-0.005302,-0.003473
Greek_Kos:GreeceKos5,0.10927,0.142174,-0.01961,-0.055233,0.012002,-0.016455,0.000235,-0.002077,-0.004295,0.020957,0.001949,0.004046,-0.004757,0.004404,-0.010586,0.005436,0.005737,0.004181,0.00905,-0.005503,-0.004742,0.002102,-0.001602,-0.001566,0.005868
Greek_Kos:GreeceKos6,0.111547,0.144205,-0.017348,-0.052326,0.002462,-0.016455,-0.003525,-0.00923,-0.002659,0.013668,0.002598,0.002098,-0.003568,-0.001789,-0.005836,0.010872,0.021644,0.002154,0.00352,-0.001501,0,0.003215,0.004807,0.001566,-0.004431
Greek_Kos:GreeceKos7,0.108132,0.145221,-0.020365,-0.053295,0.006155,-0.020917,-0.00188,-0.002308,-0.00859,0.019317,0.003735,0.003897,-0.000743,0.003991,-0.011265,-0.009016,-0.010822,0.00152,0.005028,-0.004627,-0.006239,0.006183,0.002835,-0.004338,0.001437
Greek_Kos:GreeceKos8,0.102441,0.144205,-0.02225,-0.059755,0.000615,-0.017291,0.003525,-0.006,-0.011249,0.019135,-0.001137,0.005245,-0.01219,-0.003991,-0.010722,0.005701,0.019427,-0.002027,0.004399,-0.007253,-0.005366,0.001607,-0.003697,0.001928,-0.00491
Greek_Kos:GreeceKos9,0.10927,0.151314,-0.021496,-0.052649,0.009232,-0.020917,0.001175,-0.004846,-0.00859,0.015308,-0.001461,0.004946,-0.000595,-0.001789,-0.013708,0.01074,0.025425,-0.000507,-0.00088,0.001751,-0.007612,-0.003091,0.001356,0.002289,-0.000479

Interestingly, all of the Balkan IA samples still plot within the range of Roman/Early Medieval samples. The BA Balkan samples are different though, I didn't add them.
I added the Dodecanese Greeks because something like them must've existed too. They are necessary for modelling the eastern Balkans (Bulgarians, Gagauz)

[Jana]

The amount of Slavic blood seems to be greatly exaggerated! Serbs and Bosniaks are too dark to be 50-65% Slavic. They look like pure Paleo-Balkan who just speaking Slavic language.
Albanians aren't 28% Slavic either.

Ofcourse not. If they looked pre-Slavic, they would resemble south-central Italians which is not the case. They look exactly like their genetics, because admixture between Ukrainian and south Italian will come out dark.
It would be appreciated if you left your mentally retarded comments and obsession with Balkans elsewhere, chink.

Russian average, who you seem to have great obsession with, is similary Slavic as Serb one but instead of mediterranean admixture it has lot of Baltic and Finnic blood (which ofcourse lightened Russian phenotypes).

[Jana]

imo, by the time Slavs arrived, the Mycenaean cluster probably didn't exist anymore, especially in the northern part of the Balkans.

Agree.

Interestingly, all of the Balkan IA samples still plot within the range of Roman/Early Medieval samples. The BA Balkan samples are different though, I didn't add them.
I added the Dodecanese Greeks because something like them must've existed too. They are necessary for modelling the eastern Balkans (Bulgarians, Gagauz)

Agree with this as well. Bronze age Balkan profiles don't seem to give a good fit when modeling south Slavs, so I doubt such genetics existed when Slavs arrived. They are better to model Hungarians and Slovenians than SE Euros, probably because they had Celtic like admixture which remained present in Noricum and Panonnia. For west Balkan ancient population should have looked like Marche and Molise, as you move towards central Balkans Lazio and in the east something very southern like Dodecanese or Cretan is needed indeed (perhaps result of Black sea Greek colonisation, or southern Balkan migrations)

[Jana]

Yes they have , comparing them with samples from Iron Age , (Balkans_IA is BGR_IA)

No they don't. You just used too northern samples to model early Slavs (Baltic + Nordic IA), so algorithm compensated with adding something southern.
Your model is very nonsense btw. Sunghir can be modeled as Belarussian + 10% south Euro and that's exactly in range of early Slavs.

Trying to prove ancient sample from deep Russia which is genetically Ukrainian like and has as much relations with Balkans as with Africa has Paleo-Balkan admixture is ridiculous.

[Jana]

Baltic IA is closest to modern Estonians and ofcourse early Slavs were nothing like that. So no suprise Sunghir scored some Thracian to compensate in your shitty model.

Distance to: Baltic_EST_IA

0.02843465 Estonian
0.03216440 Latvian
0.03471466 Lithuanian_SZ
0.03776399 Lithuanian_VA
0.03796118 Lithuanian_RA
0.03838297 Lithuanian_PZ
0.03906274 Ingrian
0.04060499 Lithuanian_VZ
0.04110626 Lithuanian_PA
0.04114991 Russian_Tver
0.04443260 Karelian
0.04519660 Finnish
0.04686320 Russian_Kostroma
0.04754756 Belarusian
0.04804692 Cossack_Kuban
0.04830574 Russian_Kursk
0.04896203 Finnish_East
0.04936259 Vepsian
0.05115425 Russian_Orel
0.05130676 Russian_Voronez
0.05164957 Russian_Smolensk
0.05395133 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.05484337 Mordovian
0.05694939 Ukrainian
0.05835485 Russian_Pinega

[Varda]

Decided to take up Feiichy's idea for myself. I'd say the sampling here is fair considering the absurdely low distances to all of the balkan averages, but if you have any suggestions, feel free to add.

Spoiler!

Paleo_Balkan:I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_ybp,34.15 ,12.62,23.19,10.39,15.71,3.56,0.00,0.00,0.38,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00
Paleo_Balkan:I4331_Croatia_MBA_3526_ybp,33.68,12.0 2,24.41,7.67,19.60,1.39,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.23,0.00,0 .00,0.00
Paleo_Balkan:I4332_Croatia_MBA_3516_ybp,30.68,13.0 0,27.73,10.03,16.07,0.60,0.00,1.05,0.00,0.21,0.00, 0.00,0.64
Paleo_Balkan:MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_,17.31,16.47,24 .79,14.47,21.96,1.38,0.00,0.00,1.28,1.76,0.58,0.00 ,0.00
Paleo_Balkan:I9033_Mycenaean_1352_bc_M_,18.69,1.27 ,31.47,12.51,27.61,2.03,0.00,0.87,0.24,0.00,0.87,3 .47,0.98
Paleo_Balkan:I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp,8.75, 3.24,32.05,13.71,37.05,3.81,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.80,0. 58,0.00,0.00
Paleo_Balkan:I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp,24.62,3.48 ,30.00,9.21,28.33,4.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0. 00,0.00
Eastern_Mediterranean:Canaanite_,1.63,0.00,14.65,1 5.10,51.26,17.37,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.0 0
Eastern_Mediterranean:Greek_Cappadocian,6.83,3.81, 18.16,27.6,36.59,4.92,0.94,0.03,0.64,0.03,0.4,0,0
Eastern_Mediterranean:R115_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperi al,8.94,4.56,21.96,20.12,34.47,7.02,1.72,0.93,0.00 ,0.00,0.00,0.26,0.00
Eastern_Mediterranean:R126_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_I mperial,6.85,0.00,21.95,22.60,37.03,8.91,0.98,0.75 ,0.00,0.00,0.22,0.00,0.71
Eastern_Mediterranean:R128_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_I mperial,2.63,8.50,21.08,27.13,34.24,5.03,0.00,0.00 ,0.00,0.84,0.55,0.00,0.00
Eastern_Mediterranean:R1550_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imper ial,2.93,0.00,17.45,22.44,37.80,13.78,2.10,0.71,0. 00,0.02,0.31,2.45,0.00
Eastern_Mediterranean:R1551_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imper ial,5.31,0.00,12.60,36.12,34.89,8.22,2.15,0.72,0.0 0,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Slavic:Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a_,25. 54,45.76,13.11,4.08,6.15,0.53,0.00,0.00,2.60,1.08, 0.58,0.53,0.00
Slavic:AV2_Hungary_Szolad_540_640_AD_540_640_AD_,3 0.33,47.37,11.04,4.58,2.63,0.68,0.49,0.00,1.56,0.8 9,0.00,0.42,0.00
Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Langeland_VK287,27.47,45.26, 8.62,7.09,7.54,0,1.5,0.79,1.13,0.21,0.21,0.16,0
Slavic:Viking_Poland_Cedynia_VK212,29.69,48.84,9.5 3,5.54,1.59,0,1.3,0,1.34,0,0.13,1.42,0.62
Slavic:Viking_Russia_Pskov_VK159,28.62,50.38,7.63, 3.49,4.19,0,2.08,0,0,1.86,0.48,1.27,0
Slavic:Viking_Sweden_Gotland_VK454,25.59,45.53,14. 97,2.7,4.74,0.3,0.73,2.49,0,0.34,1.21,1.4,0
Slavic:Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_VK541,23.15,43.28,11 .7,7.62,7.79,1.05,1.58,0,1.18,0.56,0.79,0,1.29
Slavic:Ukraine_Chernigov_VikingAge_VK542,22.48,43. 78,10.72,8.56,9.14,0.26,0,0,1.64,0.82,0.98,0.73,0. 87
Slavic:Viking_Russia_Gnezdovo_VK272,27.1,42.86,8.3 7,4.01,8.44,3.37,1.6,0,1.68,2.01,0,0,0.56
Slavic:Viking_Denmark_Jutland_VK340,28.29,43.29,9. 89,5.02,8.09,0,3.75,0,0.44,0.1,0,1.12,0
Germanic:ADA119_Slovakia_Poprad_1600_R_U106_U4b3_3 75_AD_2_,53.37,27.59,18.52,0.33,0.19,0.00,0.00,0.0 0,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Germanic:RISE174_Sweden_IA.SG_1431_ybp,48.47,30.87 ,7.80,5.77,0.58,0.36,2.19,0.00,1.18,1.06,0.56,0.17 ,1.00
Germanic:Alh1_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1500_ybp,5 0.39,26.23,13.00,5.30,0.00,1.40,0.00,1.70,0.00,1.1 1,0.49,0.38,0.00
Germanic:Alh10_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1489_ybp, 50.82,27.96,8.13,4.15,4.48,1.91,0.67,0.31,0.00,1.2 9,0.29,0.00,0.00
Germanic:SZ12_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp,47.25,26. 28,10.75,7.04,5.01,0.00,1.09,0.00,0.00,0.90,1.69,0 .00,0.00
Germanic:SZ15_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp,49.81, 25.15,10.68,7.88,0.66,1.04,2.67,1.49,0.62,0.00,0.0 0,0.00,0.00
Turkic:ADA101_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_1716_ybp,1 5.48,20.81,0.00,25.74,0.00,0.00,10.64,6.48,15.16,4 .45,0.00,0.00,1.24
Turkic:ADA104_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_1600_ybp,1 6.18,18.94,0.00,18.27,0.00,0.00,8.84,7.48,25.18,4. 61,0.15,0.35,0.00
Turkic:ADA105_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_son.DA104. SG_1783_ybp,15.25,20.57,0.86,20.19,0.00,0.00,6.40, 8.60,25.03,3.10,0.00,0.00,0.00
Turkic:ADA385_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_1467_ybp,1 5.92,19.74,0.00,17.23,0.00,0.00,8.70,8.58,24.42,4. 84,0.00,0.00,0.56
Turkic:ADA65_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_1511_ybp,23 .89,17.03,0.00,14.40,0.00,0.00,5.83,10.23,21.70,5. 38,0.04,0.00,1.49
Turkic:ADA66_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_1447_ybp,14 .78,23.68,0.00,13.28,0.00,0.00,9.32,7.37,24.16,3.4 6,2.08,0.00,1.86
Turkic:ADA69_Kyrgyzstan_TianShanHun.SG_1516_ybp,17 .53,18.31,0.00,24.71,1.09,0.00,9.68,5.25,20.35,2.8 9,0.20,0.00,0.00

Target: Slovenian
Distance: 0.3803% / 0.38028983
56.7 Slavic
25.3 Germanic
10.8 Paleo_Balkan
7.2 Eastern_Mediterranean

Target: Croat
Distance: 0.2564% / 0.25638615
59.3 Slavic
16.1 Germanic
15.6 Paleo_Balkan
9.0 Eastern_Mediterranean

Target: Bosniak
Distance: 0.2649% / 0.26486108
62.7 Slavic
19.0 Paleo_Balkan
12.0 Eastern_Mediterranean
6.3 Germanic

Target: Serb
Distance: 0.1302% / 0.13022115
55.2 Slavic
31.3 Paleo_Balkan
7.9 Eastern_Mediterranean
5.6 Germanic

Target: Montenegrin
Distance: 0.3155% / 0.31548324
43.0 Slavic
30.9 Paleo_Balkan
17.1 Eastern_Mediterranean
9.0 Germanic

Target: Macedonian
Distance: 0.4005% / 0.40054855
46.7 Paleo_Balkan
36.4 Slavic
12.3 Eastern_Mediterranean
4.6 Germanic

Target: Albanian
Distance: 0.5368% / 0.53677785
58.2 Paleo_Balkan
27.6 Slavic
11.5 Eastern_Mediterranean
2.7 Germanic

Target: Bulgarian
Distance: 0.0814% / 0.08138267
43.3 Slavic
29.1 Paleo_Balkan
21.6 Eastern_Mediterranean
6.0 Germanic

Target: Romanian
Distance: 0.0797% / 0.07967599
47.1 Slavic
31.6 Paleo_Balkan
14.0 Eastern_Mediterranean
5.5 Germanic
1.8 Turkic

Target: Moldavian
Distance: 0.0839% / 0.08386034
61.5 Slavic
20.0 Paleo_Balkan
12.3 Eastern_Mediterranean
4.1 Germanic
2.1 Turkic

For Serbs "northern" autosomal dna (Slavic + Germanic) is 60.8%

It's almost identical as I2 (39.2%) + R1a (14.1%) + I1 (8.1%) = 61.4% for ethnic Serbs on the sample of 2086 (source https://www.poreklo.rs/2019/06/y-dna...-ethnic-serbs/

[RicoSuave]

For Serbs "northern" autosomalndna (Slavic + Germanic) is 60.8%

It's almost identical as I2 (39.2%) + R1a (14.1%) + I1 (8.1%) = 61.4% for ethnic Serbs on the sample of 2086 (source https://www.poreklo.rs/2019/06/y-dna...-ethnic-serbs/

Wishful thinking, can I post the real Serbs in here? I don't why I even asking permission haha

[Varda]

Wishful thinking, can I post the real Serbs in here? I don't why I even asking permission haha

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