Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

[Halgurd]

Seen both Turkish and Kurdish Alevi results with "Armenian/Pontic" shift in regions of Elazig, Malatya etc.

Yes true. This obvs results from Armenians who assimilated into that society after the genocide. It is not uncommon amongst Sunni Kurds too.

[Halgurd]

Alevi Kurds are either Turkish influenced(3-5% east eurasian) or they have low steppe. Considering the geographic and historical conditions which you find in Kurdish-Alevi regions it isn’t surprising that many of them can be 30-50% Anatolian Turkish or 50% Armenian.

Show me one fully Alevi Kurdish result that shows 50% Anatolian Turkish or 3-5% East Eurasian.

[Eleonor]

ohmygad i had to create a new account, i have lost the pass, everything


How do i get the new results with the old ones, thx kiss




Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 43.67
2 Atlantic_Med 36.36
3 Caucasus 12.22
4 Gedrosia 5.17
5 Southwest_Asian 1.38
6 Siberian 0.85
7 Northwest_African 0.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 German (Dodecad) 6.04
2 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 7.65
3 Dutch (Dodecad) 8.54
4 Kent (1000Genomes) 10.51
5 Hungarians (Behar) 10.54
6 French (Dodecad) 10.58
7 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 10.61
8 English (Dodecad) 10.81
9 French (HGDP) 10.92
10 British_Isles (Dodecad) 11.55
11 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 12.88
12 British (Dodecad) 13.09
13 Argyll (1000Genomes) 13.61
14 Orkney (1000Genomes) 13.73
15 Irish (Dodecad) 13.83
16 Orcadian (HGDP) 13.91
17 Norwegian (Dodecad) 15.07
18 Swedish (Dodecad) 16.01
19 Romanians (Behar) 20.01
20 N_Italian (Dodecad) 21.47

[Kyp]

Show me one fully Alevi Kurdish result that shows 50% Anatolian Turkish or 3-5% East Eurasian.

They exist. But not as common as Gecko claimed. I think it's mainly restricted to Alevis in places like Kahranmaras:

Gedrosia: 22.86
Siberian: 3.16
NW_African: 0.43
SE_Asian: 0.13
Atlantic_Med: 8.79
North_European: 7.48
South_Asian: 0.80
East_African: 0.24
SW_Asian: 12.64
East_Asian: 2.04
Caucasus: 41.17
SSA: 0.25

Distance to: Alevi_Kahranmaras
3.38644356 Zaza_Kurd
3.47977011 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.80252548 Kurd_Kurmanji
3.92936382 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.63066950 Azerbaijani
4.93952427 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.74027874 Yazidi_Kurd
5.78270698 Udi
6.56184425 Turk_Southeast
6.58720730 Turkmen_Iraq
6.60364293 Kurd_Sorani
7.11204612 Turk_East
7.87196291 Kurd_Feyli
8.07673201 Iranian_Lur
8.39088196 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.57328992 Turk_Central_East
9.95539050 Turk_South
10.19674458 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.58090261 Iranian_Fars
11.15516024 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.19434679 Turk_Central_West
11.32193446 Azeri_Jew
11.33601341 Armenian_East
11.90650243 Assyrian_North
11.98061351 Mandean


Target: Alevi_Kahranmaras
Distance: 1.3718% / 1.37177857 | ADC: 0.25x RC
70.6 Zaza_Kurd
12.8 Udi
11.4 Azerbaijani_Turkey
2.6 Ingush
2.6 Yakut

[Altaylı]

Bozulu Turkmen from Afyonkarahisar:


They were one of those Eastern Anatolian Turkmens (Aq Qoyunlu) that migrated to the Ottomans instead to Iran:

YDNA: R1a-Z93

Gedrosia: 14.85
Siberian: 5.97
NW_African: 0.71
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.27
North_European: 14.10
South_Asian: 4.39
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 10.63
East_Asian: 5.12
Caucasus: 34.70
SSA: 0.26

Distance to: Bozulu_Afyonk
6.00925952 Turk_Southwest
6.13437038 Turk_South
6.67547751 Turk_Northwest
6.96452439 Turk_West_BlackSea
7.18721782 Turk_Central_West
8.08239445 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.86025959 Turk_Central_East
9.04869604 Turk_Southeast
9.66317236 Azerbaijani_Northwest
9.67873959 Azerbaijani
10.42682118 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.12786592 Azerbaijani_North
11.38041739 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.04375357 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.28562982 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
12.33073802 Kabardin
12.96702742 Kumyk
13.33081018 Abazin
13.76719652 Turkmen_Iran
14.42800749 Circassian
14.48035911 Turkmen_Iraq
14.48555487 Turkmen_TM
14.79276512 Kurd_Kurmanji
14.89085961 Karachay
14.92288511 Turk_East

Target: Bozulu_Afyonk
Distance: 2.7480% / 2.74804756 | ADC: 0.5x RC
57.3 Turk_South
12.8 Balkan_Gypsy
12.8 Nogai
6.3 Kumyk
5.6 Turk_Northwest
5.2 Turkmen_Iran

Also interestingly R1a Z93 is common among eastern anatolian Turkmen tribes like bozulus qizilbash Şereflü etc. Also your y dna is R1a Z93 too
There are R1a Z93 in my hometown :d(ankara, Şereflikoçhisar)
https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

[Sterling Archer]

Yes, looks so. But that is not to say all Georgians have low North European. We don't know much about Eastern Georgia. The Avars live right next to the Eastern fringe of Georgia.

Yeah haven't thought of that.
Although I think that the reason Georgians, and to a degree Armenians, display such "clean" results is due in part to their Christian faith and identity. This distinction, together with geography, has probably shielded them from mingling with their neighbors.
So, while Azerbaijanis have mixed with all their neighbors, including Avars, Lezgins and Iranians, which can also be seen in their results, the same can't be said (for now) about Georgians. Even Azerbaijanis in Georgia do not seem to have mixed with the locals, unlike Azeris in Dagestan.

One possibility I see is that the mixing with non-Georgians could still have happened before Christianity/Islam distinction arose. Would be interesting to see an eastern Georgian sample.

[Leto]

ohmygad i had to create a new account, i have lost the pass, everything


How do i get the new results with the old ones, thx kiss




Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 43.67
2 Atlantic_Med 36.36
3 Caucasus 12.22
4 Gedrosia 5.17
5 Southwest_Asian 1.38
6 Siberian 0.85
7 Northwest_African 0.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 German (Dodecad) 6.04
2 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 7.65
3 Dutch (Dodecad) 8.54
4 Kent (1000Genomes) 10.51
5 Hungarians (Behar) 10.54
6 French (Dodecad) 10.58
7 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 10.61
8 English (Dodecad) 10.81
9 French (HGDP) 10.92
10 British_Isles (Dodecad) 11.55
11 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 12.88
12 British (Dodecad) 13.09
13 Argyll (1000Genomes) 13.61
14 Orkney (1000Genomes) 13.73
15 Irish (Dodecad) 13.83
16 Orcadian (HGDP) 13.91
17 Norwegian (Dodecad) 15.07
18 Swedish (Dodecad) 16.01
19 Romanians (Behar) 20.01
20 N_Italian (Dodecad) 21.47

You're in the wrong thread, darling

[Halgurd]

They exist. But not as common as Gecko claimed. I think it's mainly restricted to Alevis in places like Kahranmaras:

Correct. This is more or less non existent amongst the bulk of the Alevi Kurds though.
I've seen a few Maras results like this but found no way to verify whether or not they were fully Kurdish. I've posted them before in this thread. However, from the ones I have spoken to, they all have a distant non Kurdish ancestor down the line which would explain the high east eurasian (even a single Circassian great grandparent would suffice).

Hence why I asked for a fully Kurdish result.

[Eleonor]

You're in the wrong thread, darling

wow sorry i did read west and central europe in the title

[Zoro]

Show me one fully Alevi Kurdish result that shows 50% Anatolian Turkish or 3-5% East Eurasian.

This tool is not designed to measure total East Asian in any population. For one thing the Caucasus component is based on all the following populations some of which have a decent amount of East Asian. In other words it's hidden in these populations:

Population	Caucasus
Georgians	74%
Abhkasians	70%
Armenians	60%
North_Ossetians	57%
Balkars	57%
Adygei	57%
Armenian	56%
Assyrian	52%
Chechens	51%
Druze	50%
Turkish	46%
Kumyks	46%
Turks	46%
Lezgins	46%
Uzbekistan_Jews	45%
Kurd	40%
Iranian	40%

Also the Gedrosian component is based on populations below some of which also have substantial East Asian. In other words Gedrosian has hidden East Asian also.

Population	Gedrosia
Brahui	70%
Balochi	64%
Makrani	61%
Sindhi	51%
Jatt	46%
Pathan	44%
Meena	43%
Burusho	43%
Indian	39%
Velamas	38%
Kshatriya	38%
Meghawal	36%
Dharkars	35%
Kanjars	35%
Kurmi	34%
Tajiks	34%

Having said this even on this calculator 3-5% is not a limiting factor for Kurds since many Kurds such as these from KurdishDNA blog and even yourself probably are in this range. Not to mention most of the Kurdish samples I have


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Now Anatolian Turk is a different story.