Macedonian Gedmatch kits - 28

[paradox]

So you think Johnny is trolling. I don't think what he's doing fits the definition of "trolling" though.

Old average	New average
North_European 33.45	North_European 30.02
Atlantic_Med 27.71	Atlantic_Med 28.64
Caucasus 25.41	Caucasus 27.11
Southwest_Asian 6.35	Southwest_Asian 7.23
Gedrosia 5.44	Gedrosia 5.09

The new one is considerably more Southern, in particular its North European (primary Northeast Euro marker) is 3+ percent lower than Johnny's. In fact if you look at the new regional averages, none of the regions is above 31%. I don't know which one is more accurate, to be honest.

Definition of trolling
"A troll is Internet slang for a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments in an online social community".

Yes it's way too southern, the previous one was accurate. Since we are discussing averages, the Macedonian G25 references are based on one individuals coordinates per region. How is this an average? I have Macedonian members coordinates and have checked them against them.
Anyway I'm disregarding the Macedonian averages.

[JohnnyP]

Definition of trolling
"A troll is Internet slang for a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments in an online social community".

Yes it's way too southern, the previous one was accurate. Since we are discussing averages, the Macedonian G25 references are based on one individuals coordinates per region. How is this an average? I have Macedonian members coordinates and have checked them against them.
Anyway I'm disregarding the Macedonian averages.

There is not even one kit which is wrong or from different ethnicity or region i put there, these averages are correct, as i know your father is not Macedonian, Macedonia is small country , there is not big difference between regions, i don't know why you think i did something wrong, but if you want i can provide you all kits from this regional averages, i had many more kits from Skopje which are more southern but i didn't included them just for things like this.

[Kaspias]

Definition of trolling
"A troll is Internet slang for a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments in an online social community".

Yes it's way too southern, the previous one was accurate. Since we are discussing averages, the Macedonian G25 references are based on one individuals coordinates per region. How is this an average? I have Macedonian members coordinates and have checked them against them.
Anyway I'm disregarding the Macedonian averages.

Slavic Macedonians actually are not different than Greek Macedonians and in fact, they were the same people 150 years ago. It is more like languages are replaced due to cultural domination rather than a distinctive gene flow maybe except for Chalkidiki Greeks who show more Southern characteristics compared to the rest of Macedonian Greeks. In this sense, genetically, your father is not exactly Macedonian neither Greek nor Slavic, but more like Bulgarian/Romanian that makes sense when considering where his hometown borders. Macedonians, on the other hand, models in-between Bulgarians and Albanians, or let's say Torbeshis, are already should be more "Southern" than your father.

The old Macedonian average consisted of a limited number of academic samples which includes minorities from the country, such as a Bosniak and a Serbian within 8 results, and that's why it was more Northern shifted.

[Ion Basescul]

Slavic Macedonians actually are not different than Greek Macedonians and in fact, they were the same people 150 years ago. It is more like languages are replaced due to cultural domination rather than a distinctive gene flow maybe except for Chalkidiki Greeks who show more Southern characteristics compared to the rest of Macedonian Greeks. In this sense, genetically, your father is not exactly Macedonian neither Greek nor Slavic, but more like Bulgarian/Romanian that makes sense when considering where his hometown borders. Macedonians, on the other hand, models in-between Bulgarians and Albanians, or let's say Torbeshis, are already should be more "Southern" than your father.

The old Macedonian average consisted of a limited number of academic samples which includes minorities from the country, such as a Bosniak and a Serbian within 8 results, and that's why it was more Northern shifted.

It's pretty much self-explanatory that the probability is significantly higher for one kit to be atypical, in this case paradox's father, rather than the average of 60+ from all corners in the country.
There are 2-3 people here who score like paradox's father by the way. And let's not forget that he's neither Greek nor North Macedonian, but Vlach. From what I understand, Vlach was more like a class and any ethnicity could become Vlach. So maybe he has some Serb roots or something similar from the region that can pull North genetically.

[paradox]

There is not even one kit which is wrong or from different ethnicity or region i put there, these averages are correct, as i know your father is not Macedonian, Macedonia is small country , there is not big difference between regions, i don't know why you think i did something wrong, but if you want i can provide you all kits from this regional averages, i had many more kits from Skopje which are more southern but i didn't included them just for things like this.

Maybe I would find you more credible if you hadn't posted your "results" on the forum using different coordinates. At the beginning your coordinates had as highest component Baltic. I don't know if you remember but you gave me your k13 coordinates as well as other Macedonians which were also high Baltic. As your time here progressed your "results" became more southern as did your coordinates.

I now used your original k13 coordinates with your updated Macedonian references and you dont show a Macedonian region until 13 on the list. Using your latest new and improved k13 coordinates , a Macedonian region shows up at number 1. Quite remarkable seeing that you have a Serbian grandparent. So tell me why should I believe that the averages you posted are correct?

[JohnnyP]

Maybe I would find you more credible if you hadn't posted your "results" on the forum using different coordinates. At the beginning your coordinates had as highest component Baltic. I don't know if you remember but you gave me your k13 coordinates as well as other Macedonians which were also high Baltic. As your time here progressed your "results" became more southern as did your coordinates.

I now used your original k13 coordinates with your updated Macedonian references and you dont show a Macedonian region until 13 on the list. Using your latest new and improved k13 coordinates , a Macedonian region shows up at number 1. Quite remarkable seeing that you have a Serbian grandparent. So tell me why should I believe that the averages you posted are correct?

Baby, I'm not even full Macedonian my grandmother is from North Croatia close to Slovenia border and my other grandmother is Serbian from Kosovo. Im half Macedonian(At my ethnicity on profile stays 75% Macedonian coz Kosovo is bordering with Macedonia I'm considering Kosovo like Macedonia ).
And i mentioned few times on this thread that i will post kits only from full Macedonians, not Macedo-Serbs or Macedo-Bosnians.
Cheers!

[Leto]

Baby, I'm not even full Macedonian my grandmother is from North Croatia close to Slovenia border and my other grandmother is Serbian from Kosovo. Im half Macedonian(At my ethnicity on profile stays 75% Macedonian coz Kosovo is bordering with Macedonia I'm considering Kosovo like Macedonia ).
And i mentioned few times on this thread that i will post kits only from full Macedonians, not Macedo-Serbs or Macedo-Bosnians.
Cheers!

What do you score on Dodecad K12b? I'm curious.

[JohnnyP]

What do you score on Dodecad K12b? I'm curious.

Population
Gedrosia 3.93 Pct
Siberian 0.53 Pct
Northwest_African 0.41 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.51 Pct
Atlantic_Med 27.57 Pct
North_European 35.36 Pct
South_Asian 0.05 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.8 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 25.8 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
.
I'm from Kumanovo (Northeast) close to Serbian border, 50% SerboCroat 50% Macedonian.

[vbnetkhio]

It's pretty much self-explanatory that the probability is significantly higher for one kit to be atypical, in this case paradox's father, rather than the average of 60+ from all corners in the country.
There are 2-3 people here who score like paradox's father by the way. And let's not forget that he's neither Greek nor North Macedonian, but Vlach. From what I understand, Vlach was more like a class and any ethnicity could become Vlach. So maybe he has some Serb roots or something similar from the region that can pull North genetically.

In Bosnia/Serbia/Croatia/Montenegro, the ethnic Vlachs were assimilated and lost their language back in the 12th century, and since then it was only a class.
The Vlachs in Macedonia/Albania/Greece/South Bulgaria kept their ethnic identity (Arman/Aromanian) and language until recently. It's definitely a real ethnic group.

However, autosomally they look completely equalized with their surrounding populations.

The thing is people from the most northern parts of Greece (both Greeks and Aromanians) seem to have higher Baltic than Macedonians and South Bulgarians.

look at this result:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...dmatch-Results

this person has almost 28% Baltic, and Macedonians don't go above 25 according to Johnny's resutls.

[JohnnyP]

PCA DodecadK12b