Serbian autosomal DNA #2

[CommonSense]

Not sure where to put this since it's not a result from an ethnic Serbian individual, but since the general South Slavic DNA result thread was closed and I don't feel like opening a new thread just for this, here it goes:

Results of a catholic Montenegrin from the municipality of Bar. Her ancestors are from a community called Šestani near lake Skadar

23andMe:

Spoiler!

gedmatch:

Spoiler!

K13 Admix Results:

    North_Atlantic - 26.35

    West_Med - 22.45

    Baltic - 20.1

    East_Med - 17.62

    West_Asian - 8.23

    Red_Sea - 2.87

    Siberian - 1

    Northeast_African - 0.85

    Amerindian - 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

    Romanian - 7.08 

    Bulgarian - 7.86

    Serbian - 9.09

    North_Italian - 9.43

    Greek_Thessaly - 10.53

    Tuscan - 11.01

    Portuguese - 14.67

    Italian_Abruzzo - 15.15

    Spanish_Galicia - 15.22

    Moldavian - 15.33

    Spanish_Extremadura - 15.55

    West_Sicilian - 15.64

    Hungarian - 15.94

    French - 16.12

    Spanish_Cataluna - 16.36

    Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon - 16.75

    Spanish_Murcia - 16.76

    Austrian - 16.82

    Spanish_Valencia - 16.89

    Central_Greek - 16.92

6.64576557	Bosniak_Sandzak
7.05563605	Macedonian
7.09501233	Macedonian_South
7.15278967	Macedonian_North
7.23830781	Italian_Friuli_VG
7.28726286	Serb_Southern_Montenegro
7.87198831	Romania_Oltenia
7.88480818	Bulgaria_Southwestern
7.92438010	Albanian_Gheg
8.11046854	Italian_Veneto
8.22618381	Montenegrin
8.36950417	Romania_Crisana
8.38800930	Italian_Trentino
8.38814044	Romania_Transylvania
8.52274604	Torbesh_average
8.53754063	Romania_Wallachia
8.60890237	Romania_Banat
8.67317704	Bulgaria_average
8.67861740	Romania_Dobruja
8.73828358	Romania_Moldavia_South
8.75757386	Vlach(Aromanian)_average
8.80003977	Albanian
8.82338937	Romania_Muntenia
8.83100787	Romania_average
8.89710627	Bulgaria_Southcentral

[CommonSense]

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[GalenStark]

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Catholic Slavs in Southeast Montenegro are likely of Catholic Albanian origin. Sheshtani is majority Albanian. I have seen 23andme Albanians from Montenegro score similar. Any Gedmatch for them?

[CommonSense]

Catholic Slavs in Southeast Montenegro are likely of Catholic Albanian origin. Sheshtani is majority Albanian. I have seen 23andme Albanians from Montenegro score similar. Any Gedmatch for them?

The gedmatch is in the spoilers. No kit this time though, since I merely copied the results of a user from reddit who posted them. Those catholics from Šestani were probably originally Albanians who over time mixed with the local Slavs. At least her K13 results are half way between regular southern Montenegrins and Ghegs.

[GalenStark]

The gedmatch is in the spoilers. No kit this time though, since I merely copied the results of a user from reddit who posted them. Those catholics from Šestani were probably originally Albanians who over time mixed with the local Slavs. At least her K13 results are half way between regular southern Montenegrins and Ghegs.

True. She could also still be Slavic originally as well. I heard it is not out of the ordinary for some of the Albanian clans to take Slavic wives. Usually the wife converts to the husband's faith. At least from what I hear.

[RogueState]

The gedmatch is in the spoilers. No kit this time though, since I merely copied the results of a user from reddit who posted them. Those catholics from Šestani were probably originally Albanians who over time mixed with the local Slavs. At least her K13 results are half way between regular southern Montenegrins and Ghegs.

Montenegrin+Albanian mix = Sandzakian profile hehe

[vbnetkhio]

Catholic Slavs in Southeast Montenegro are likely of Catholic Albanian origin. Sheshtani is majority Albanian. I have seen 23andme Albanians from Montenegro score similar. Any Gedmatch for them?

here:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5036151

they have a bit higher Baltic than those from Kosovo and north Albania. recently one with 26% Baltic was posted on Anthrogenica.
Montenegrins/Serbs from this area usually don't have less than 22%, so this result Commonsense posted is a bit outside that range.

[CommonSense]

here:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5036151

they have a bit higher Baltic than those from Kosovo and north Albania. recently one with 26% Baltic was posted on Anthrogenica.
Montenegrins/Serbs from this area usually don't have less than 22%, so this result Commonsense posted is a bit outside that range.

Actually I think her results can fit into the range for Montenegrin Albos. They don't really seem like pure Ghegs based on this.

[vbnetkhio]

Actually I think her results can fit into the range for Montenegrin Albos. They don't really seem like pure Ghegs based on this.

I thought she had a bit too high NA, but I checked in my collection and there's one Albanian from Montenegro nearly identical to her.

A830498

alb_mont,26.38,20.56,18.98,8.25,20.75,3.57,0.00,0. 22,0.00,0.61,0.00,0.67,0.00

do Bar catholics declare as Croats or?

[CommonSense]

I thought she had a bit too high NA, but I checked in my collection and there's one Albanian from Montenegro nearly identical to her.

A830498

alb_mont,26.38,20.56,18.98,8.25,20.75,3.57,0.00,0. 22,0.00,0.61,0.00,0.67,0.00

do Bar catholics declare as Croats or?

I think only a small minority of them do. At least that's the conclusion which can be drawn upon looking at the demographic data. There were 3043 recorded catholics in Bar on the census of 2011, but only 254 Croats. On the other hand the Albanians of the municipality are mostly muslims, with only 45 recorded catholics among them.
So it's obvious that they overwhelmingly declare as Montenegrins. And that's how the woman whose results I posted described herself.

On the other hand, in Kotor, Tivat and Heceg Novi the situation is completely different and the larger part of the catholic community in those municipalities has been successfully croatised.