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    Target: Defcon_scaled
    Distance: 4.8119% / 0.04811891
    55.4 TUR_Barcin_N
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    4.0 MAR_Taforalt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurzat View Post
    experimental K22 (Eurogenes standard G25 calculator plus 5 populations).

    (Neolithic on the map is Barcin plus Tepecik-Çiftlik)

    straight outta Paint

    Code:
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    TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.108701,0.1731478,-0.0143308,-0.100534,0.0270818,-0.0402298,-0.0045828,-0.005019,0.02623,0.05745,0.008444,0.0080555,-0.0101832,0.0052298,-0.0352192,-0.0104748,0.0088662,0.0004432,0.005342,-0.0032828,0.0026827,0.0044515,-0.0071795,-0.0038258,-0.0045805
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    Han,0.0206952,-0.4507105,-0.0082967,-0.0651579,0.0780846,0.0374475,0.0029055,-0.004804,-0.0150232,-0.0031146,-0.0495875,-0.0070573,0.0072707,-0.0081072,-0.0043305,0.0012535,0.0017542,-0.0008638,-0.0020455,-0.0102206,0.0122397,0.0069582,0.0141063,-0.0012925,-0.0022315
    IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
    IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305
    Jarawa,-0.0219821,-0.2430289,-0.1324164,0.0986968,0.0323713,-0.0045841,-0.01012,0.0065044,0.0546974,0.0238044,0.0228054,0.0027349,-0.0041532,0.0103562,-0.0108067,-0.0114441,0.0094529,-0.0019082,-0.0062221,0.0286778,-0.0046401,0.0111366,-0.0123402,0.0022668,0.0049844
    Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps,0.1013025,0.133034,-0.07071,-0.043605,-0.0498555,-0.0092035,0.008108,-0.011653,-0.066368,-0.01631,0.0030855,0.011015,-0.019846,0.005849,0.0042075,-0.0102095,-0.0001305,-0.003927,-0.001697,0.0032515,0.003494,-0.000247,-0.0036975,-0.0090975,-0.0030535
    Levant_PPNB,0.072847,0.1639064,-0.0316026,-0.1361132,0.0332986,-0.0645352,-0.0134426,-0.0147684,0.0741604,0.03601,0.0188046,-0.0150764,0.035738,0.0025596,-0.0217696,0.006099,0.0098048,-0.0013176,-0.0047264,0.0188088,-0.001797,0.0071472,0.0008872,-0.0056874,-0.0037602
    MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
    Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477,0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
    WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
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    RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA:kra001,0.034147,-0.421445,0.150471,-0.002907,-0.14495,-0.082273,0.019741,0.035998,0.02577,0.000364,0.083792,-3e-04,0.015758,-0.048994,-0.04343,-0.029833,0.000652,0.005574,0.004902,-0.012381,0.026453,0.003462,0.001725,0.00723,0.012813
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    Papuan,-0.0459844,-0.2410866,-0.2637584,0.3092414,0.2069308,-0.509589,-0.001974,0.0070152,-0.041273,-0.0119546,-0.018902,0.000869,0.0013974,-0.00311,0.0001628,-0.0003186,-0.0021906,-0.0018498,-0.001081,-0.0015256,0.0023458,0.0018052,0.0012324,0.0018314,0.0016048
    All of Italy's results are wrong on the map, or have been artificially moved to the 'north'.


    Target: Italian_Campania
    Distance: 1.4499% / 0.01449917
    45.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    24.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    17.4 TUR_Barcin_N
    5.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    4.6 Levant_PPNB
    1.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    1.0 MAR_Taforalt
    0.2 WHG



    Target: Italian_Lazio
    Distance: 1.8493% / 0.01849258
    46.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    27.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    20.6 TUR_Barcin_N
    2.8 WHG
    2.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    0.8 Levant_PPNB
    0.4 MAR_Taforalt



    Target: Italian_Lombardy
    Distance: 3.0906% / 0.03090609
    51.0 TUR_Barcin_N
    32.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    10.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    5.8 WHG

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    I think this source is more efficient at distinguishing Yamnaya from other components.



    Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
    Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477, 0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
    Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0. 1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
    EHG,0.12862,0.032497,0.125958,0.221902,0.003385,0. 056057,-0.014571,-0.010615,0.007567,-0.084011,0.009581,-0.029674,0.047423,-0.018304,0.014794,0.041766,-0.020079,0.002154,-0.007668,0.003252,-0.01435,0.017188,0.005916,-0.027594,-0.00958
    EHG,0.120652,0.099522,0.149717,0.188633,0.060319,0 .049643,0.003995,0.01223,0.038655,-0.041003,0.006333,-0.028175,0.04103,-0.009083,0.013708,0.036064,0.01708,-0.006461,-0.008296,0.038018,0.042425,0.012242,-0.00456,-0.074348,-0.002275
    GEO_CHG:KK1,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
    EHG,0.12862,0.032497,0.125958,0.221902,0.003385,0. 056057,-0.014571,-0.010615,0.007567,-0.084011,0.009581,-0.029674,0.047423,-0.018304,0.014794,0.041766,-0.020079,0.002154,-0.007668,0.003252,-0.01435,0.017188,0.005916,-0.027594,-0.00958
    WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445 ,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
    PAK_Saidu_Sharif_H_o:I7722,0.036423,-0.091398,-0.168573,0.129847,-0.079707,0.063587,-0.005405,0.016845,0.051949,0.030069,-0.007632,0.001049,0.000297,0.004404,-0.000407,-0.017369,-0.002086,-0.002914,0.002891,0.008254,0.00861,0.004204,0.0024 65,0.006868,-0.005868
    IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I11466,0.044391,-0.020311,-0.171213,0.076551,-0.104635,0.054105,0.010105,-0.010384,-0.00225,0.019499,-0.008282,0.014237,-0.007136,-0.012386,0.018187,0.026783,0.011865,0.010135,0.003 017,-0.014632,0.00836,-0.013973,0.003081,-0.006266,0.008023
    Levant_Ashkelon_LBA,0.0921967,0.1462363,-0.061722,-0.0915167,-0.0139513,-0.0366277,0.0032117,-0.008846,0.0072263,0.012635,0.015535,-0.015736,0.018781,0.0088997,-0.0078717,0.008972,-0.0043027,0.0013093,-0.0006287,-0.0070033,0.0020797,0.000371,-0.00608,0.002812,0.003832
    Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
    MAR_Iberomaurusian,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
    Saami,0.1112621,-0.0302122,0.111722,0.079781,-0.0093286,0.008297,0.0081371,0.0138599,0.0029656,-0.0320964,0.0222877,-0.0074746,0.0180716,-0.0198263,-0.0040038,0.0026933,0.0011571,-0.0014886,-0.0059862,0.0044944,0.0158158,0.0013447,-0.0025649,0.0026584,0.0003442
    Levant_Natufian:I0861,0.01935,0.135065,-0.039221,-0.135984,0.026774,-0.076137,-0.019036,-0.024691,0.100626,-0.008018,0.02858,-0.019633,0.067343,0.001651,0.022801,0.02612,-0.0103,0.006714,-0.018101,0.041395,-0.004118,-0.003215,-0.014297,-0.011206,0.011975

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.o.l.i.t.a View Post
    All of Italy's results are wrong on the map, or have been artificially moved to the 'north'.


    Target: Italian_Campania
    Distance: 1.4499% / 0.01449917
    45.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    24.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    17.4 TUR_Barcin_N
    5.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    4.6 Levant_PPNB
    1.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    1.0 MAR_Taforalt
    0.2 WHG



    Target: Italian_Lazio
    Distance: 1.8493% / 0.01849258
    46.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    27.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    20.6 TUR_Barcin_N
    2.8 WHG
    2.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    0.8 Levant_PPNB
    0.4 MAR_Taforalt



    Target: Italian_Lombardy
    Distance: 3.0906% / 0.03090609
    51.0 TUR_Barcin_N
    32.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    10.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    5.8 WHG
    They fit for Apulia, Tuscany and Bergamo or with 0.25 penalty. But yeah, the map is not particularly representative.

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    Target: 7.62x39_scaled
    Distance: 4.6963% / 0.04696294
    36.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    30.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    26.6 EHG
    4.0 Saami
    2.0 Levant_Ashkelon_LBA
    0.4 GEO_CHG


    Saami is fake that should be added to my EHG score

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    Target: Grabiel_scaled
    Distance: 3.2840% / 0.03284031
    56.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    31.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    6.2 WHG
    3.8 Levant_Ashkelon_IA2
    1.8 GEO_CHG

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    Quote Originally Posted by vbnetkhio View Post
    exactly. but the Sunghir/Kostenki cluster also survived, trough ANE, which ended up being the most succesful and widespread stone age population.

    70% Sunghir/Kostenki + 30% East Eurasian -> ANE

    70% ANE + 30% UHG -> EHG
    30% ANE + 70% Dzudzuana -> CHG
    50% ANE + 50% something similar to Dzudzuana in Iran -> Iran Mesolithic
    50% ANE + 50% East Eurasian -> Amerindians
    And from which groups did Scandinavian and Baltic HGs but also Yamnaya come from?

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    AHG is more related to Iron Gates (Balkan WHG), Itself sharing excess of something with AHG too, could be multi directionnal geneflow. Which could make sense even geographically and in timeframe, considering the intermediate position of IG to Villabruna and Pinarbasi, as AHG affinity is still high with some other WHGs like Villabruna, Ranchot and Bichon, the whole crew gravitating around the Alps.



    SHG is just WHG with some EHG/AG, but less than EHG. More or less 3/4 WHG + 1/4 AG.

    Yamnaya is EHG + CHG, or Iran_N which is even more likely chronologically as BA is just afterwards neolithic and CHG Satsurblia is Paleolithic but both models work, CHG/Iran_N are close anyway, as close as Early Neo and Euro middle Neo (same thing with more WHG), except CHG was more AG before becoming more basal, reverse pull in the Caucasus through time.



    Bell Beaker is Yamnaya + MN/LN as IE settled in Europe and absorbed local farmers, mostly females, hence the R bias today. The usual thing anyway everytime a new comer arrives. As well as all sorts of other intermediates like CW and other BB varieties.



    Would be 50/50 with a MN or LN instead of early N, again rather what actually happens because IE were not there yet in the early neo (but it's a model to check WHG re emergence too here)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunai View Post
    And from which groups did Scandinavian and Baltic HGs but also Yamnaya come from?
    Sandinavian and Baltic HGs were a mix of WHG and EHG to various degrees, and Yamnaya was halfway between EHG and CHG, with a bit of EEF (10-15%)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Petalpusher View Post
    AHG is more related to Iron Gates (Balkan WHG), Itself sharing excess of something with AHG too, could be multi directionnal geneflow. Which could make sense even geographically and in timeframe, considering the intermediate position of IG to Villabruna and Pinarbasi, as AHG affinity is still high with some other WHGs like Villabruna, Ranchot and Bichon, the whole crew gravitating around the Alps.



    SHG is just WHG with some EHG/AG, but less than EHG. More or less 3/4 WHG + 1/4 AG.

    Yamnaya is EHG + CHG, or Iran_N which is even more likely chronologically as BA is just afterwards neolithic and CHG Satsurblia is Paleolithic but both models work, CHG/Iran_N are close anyway, as close as Early Neo and Euro middle Neo (same thing with more WHG), except CHG was more AG before becoming more basal, reverse pull in the Caucasus through time.



    Bell Beaker is Yamnaya + MN/LN as IE settled in Europe and absorbed local farmers, mostly females, hence the R bias today. The usual thing anyway everytime a new comer arrives. As well as all sorts of other intermediates like CW and other BB varieties.



    Would be 50/50 with a MN or LN instead of early N, again rather what actually happens because IE were not there yet in the early neo (but it's a model to check WHG re emergence too here)
    Bell beakers descend from Corded Ware, not Yamnaya. Corded Ware and Yamnaya were autosomally similar, but they had completely different Y-DNA, Yamnaya was exclusively R1b-Z2103, while Corded ware had R1a and R-l51. There's no explanation yet how this came to be.

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