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Thread: J2 and the foundation of Human Civilization

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedora View Post
    Majority of Anatolian Turks are J2A
    Yes, my haplogroup is J2a1b1.
    My docedad K12b Results.
    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasus 36.06
    2 Gedrosia 15.47
    3 Atlantic_Med 11.86
    4 North_European 11.40
    5 East_Asian 7.96
    6 Southwest_Asian 7.71
    7 Siberian 7.65

    Distance to: Bozkurt
    4.64109664 Turk_Southwest
    5.64923004 Turk_South
    5.85249528 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
    6.25984824 Turk_Northwest
    6.70061937 Turk_West_BlackSea
    6.70353638 Turk_Central_West
    8.32176063 Turk_Central_East
    10.00053999 Turk_Southeast
    10.75142316 Azerbaijani_Turkey
    11.84880585 Azerbaijani_Republic
    12.29116756 Azerbaijani_Iran
    12.98587694 Kabardin
    13.10019084 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
    13.46963622 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
    13.62603391 Abazin
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    15.64257651 Turkmen_TM
    15.66417250 Nogai
    15.95909772 Kurd_Kurmanji
    16.40718135 Udi_Azerbaijan

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    Anatolian Hunter Gatherer was mostly G, i suppose, not J.

    Natufian J, i suppose...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flashball View Post
    Anatolian Hunter Gatherer was mostly G, i suppose, not J.

    Natufian J, i suppose...
    According to ancient DNA analyses conducted by Lazaridis et al. (2016) on Natufian skeletal remains from present-day northern Israel, the Natufians carried the Y-DNA (paternal) haplogroups E1b1b1b2 (xE1b1b1b2a, E1b1b1b2b) (2/5; 40%), CT (2/5; 40%), and E1b1 (xE1b1a1, E1b1b1b1) (1/5; 20%).
    Ancient J-M410, specifically subclade J-Y12379*, has been found, in a mesolithic context, in a tooth from the Kotias Klde Cave in western Georgia dating 9.529-9.895 cal. BP.[13] This sample has been assigned to the Caucasus hunter-gatherers (CHG) autosomal component.[14] J-M410, more specifically its subclade J-PF5008, has also been found in a mesolithic sample from the Hotu and Kamarband Caves located in Mazandaran Province of Iran, dating back to 9,100-8,600 B.C.E (approximately 11,000 ybp).[15] Both samples belong to the Trialetian Culture. It is likely that J2 men had settled over most of Anatolia, the South Caucasus and Iran by the end of the Last Glaciation 12,000 years ago.

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    Which of the Indo-Aryan/ Vedic samples were J2? Which one is J2-Z2443? and which one is J2-Y26741?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaazi View Post
    Which of the Indo-Aryan/ Vedic samples were J2? Which one is J2-Z2443? and which one is J2-Y26741?
    PAK_Loebanr_IA:I12982 is J2-Z2433 , other one is KGZ_Aigyrzhal_BA:I11527
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    The Age of R1 is over... The time of the J2, has come (again)
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    I'd say Turanid/Alpine/Mediterranean mix.
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    The cradle of civilization is obviously E1b

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul View Post
    PAK_Loebanr_IA:I12982 is J2-Z2433 , other one is KGZ_Aigyrzhal_BA:I11527
    KGZ_Aigyrzhal_BA is BMAC + WSHG, not Steppe MLBA while Loebanr is Swat valley Iron Age and there's confusion whether Swat valley IA is Indo-Aryan or not.

    Indo-Aryan is Steppe MLBA and Vedic is Painted Grey Ware.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Painted_Grey_Ware_culture

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaazi View Post
    KGZ_Aigyrzhal_BA is BMAC + WSHG, not Steppe MLBA while Loebanr is Swat valley Iron Age and there's confusion whether Swat valley IA is Indo-Aryan or not.

    Indo-Aryan is Steppe MLBA and Vedic is Painted Grey Ware.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Painted_Grey_Ware_culture
    Katelai and Butkara IA also have J2. Also the Steppe MLBA outlier was Kazakhstan_Taldysay_MLBA2
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul View Post
    The Age of R1 is over... The time of the J2, has come (again)
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    I'd say Turanid/Alpine/Mediterranean mix.
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    The funny thing is that J2 is a minority in all the European populations mentioned in the map.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MechtoidAfalouHG View Post
    The cradle of civilization is obviously E1b
    Cardle of civilisation had no particular hg, because all people were there. Problem solved.

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