Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

**Leto** · 06-06-2021, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by CommonSense

An Armenian, judging by the surname:

He scores minor Siberian

Distance to: FD
3.52736446 Armenian_West
4.73445879 Armenian_East
4.73452215 Assyrian_North
4.87334587 Assyrian_West
4.91653333 Azeri_Jew
5.17136346 Assyrian_South
5.82979416 Turk_East
7.61648213 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.11589182 Kurdish_Jew
8.60170913 Mandean

Distance to: FD
2.16445389 96.00% Armenian_West + 4.00% Tatar_Zabolotniye
2.24690326 91.00% Armenian_West + 9.00% Turkmen_TM
2.26244156 97.20% Armenian_West + 2.80% Yukagir
2.28186060 96.20% Armenian_West + 3.80% Shor
2.29964610 82.20% Armenian_West + 17.80% Azerbaijani_Iran
2.30282123 4.00% Altaian_Chelkan + 96.00% Armenian_West
2.31688638 97.20% Armenian_West + 2.80% Evenk
2.33508974 93.20% Armenian_West + 6.80% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
2.34503029 97.00% Armenian_West + 3.00% Sakha_Yakutia
2.35228857 91.80% Armenian_West + 8.20% Turkmen_Iran

Target: FD
Distance: 1.4388% / 1.43884545 | ADC: 0.25x RC
75.9 Armenian_West
10.9 Udi_Azerbaijan
5.6 Assyrian_North
5.4 Iranian_Lur
2.2 Yukagir

**Leto** · 06-06-2021, 09:59 PM

Ossetians, though the latter may as well be something else

Gedrosia 20.04 Pct
Siberian 2.39 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.14 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.99 Pct
North_European 15.18 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.35 Pct
Southwest_Asian 1.43 Pct
East_Asian 2.74 Pct
Caucasus 49.74 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Marat
4.20746955 Ossetian_South
4.34845950 Ossetian
5.09211155 Adyghe
6.78245531 Karachay
7.05631632 Circassian
7.34144400 Ingush
8.04547078 Balkar
8.10179610 Abazin
8.38260103 Abkhazian
9.92667618 Kabardin

Distance to: Marat
2.52979192 95.40% Ossetian_South + 4.60% Spanish_Basque
2.67883439 4.80% French_Southwest + 95.20% Ossetian_South
2.70474222 95.00% Ossetian_South + 5.00% Spanish_La_Rioja
2.74234405 94.80% Ossetian_South + 5.20% Spanish_Aragon
2.74635112 95.00% Ossetian_South + 5.00% Spanish_Asturias
2.74898172 95.00% Ossetian_South + 5.00% Sardinian
2.76740718 95.00% Ossetian_South + 5.00% Spanish_Cantabria
2.80886537 94.80% Ossetian_South + 5.20% Spanish_Andalusia
2.81536254 94.80% Ossetian_South + 5.20% Spanish_Catalonia
2.82601771 94.80% Ossetian_South + 5.20% Spanish_Valencia

Target: Marat
Distance: 2.4512% / 2.45118990 | ADC: 0.25x RC
94.9 Ossetian_South
3.7 Spanish_Basque
0.7 Han_north
0.7 Sardinian

Gedrosia 19.86 Pct
Siberian 5.12 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.44 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.38 Pct
North_European 18.15 Pct
South_Asian 0.3 Pct
East_African 0.06 Pct
Southwest_Asian 2.79 Pct
East_Asian 2.96 Pct
Caucasus 45.93 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Diana
2.55988281 Karachay
3.32261945 Ossetian
3.35080587 Balkar
3.75945475 Circassian
3.84053382 Adyghe
4.13527508 Ingush
4.36650890 Abazin
6.02110455 Chechen
6.17511134 Kabardin
6.68949176 Ossetian_South

Distance to: Diana
1.60189290 12.40% Bashkir_Central + 87.60% Ossetian_South
1.65248310 12.20% Bashkir_South + 87.80% Ossetian_South
1.69025464 89.20% Ossetian_South + 10.80% Udmurt
1.84375545 10.60% Mari + 89.40% Ossetian_South
1.88387522 11.60% Besermyan_Udmurtia + 88.40% Ossetian_South
1.89835959 89.80% Ossetian_South + 10.20% Tatar_Zabolotniye
1.95398641 12.20% Bashkir_North + 87.80% Ossetian_South
2.04646244 88.40% Ossetian_South + 11.60% Tatar_Siberia
2.05849793 95.60% Ossetian + 4.40% Tatar_Zabolotniye
2.07529915 4.40% Altaian_Chelkan + 95.60% Ossetian

Target: Diana
Distance: 2.0138% / 2.01382848 | ADC: 0.5x RC
49.3 Karachay
25.9 Ossetian
24.8 Ingush

**Kaspias** · 06-07-2021, 09:06 AM

From the new Turkish article. Matches indicate that he might be from Karaman. Also, he matches with a few Turks from Kardzhali where Karamanid migration stories were told widely.

Y: N-VL73
MT: C4a1a3

Code:

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Caucasus	31.76
2	North_European	14.68
3	Gedrosia	13.39
4	Atlantic_Med	11.49
5	East_Asian	9.96
6	Southwest_Asian	7.17
7	Siberian	6.31
8	South_Asian	1.68
9	Northwest_African	1.4
10	Southeast_Asian	0.82
11	East_African	0.68
12	Sub_Saharan	0.63


Distance to:	X
2.89243948	59.00% Greek_Pontus + 41.00% Uzbeki
2.92600926	41.60% Hemshin + 58.40% Ottoman_MA2196
3.01404440	41.20% Laz + 58.80% Ottoman_MA2196
3.10900748	65.00% Greek_Pontus + 35.00% Karluk_DA222
3.13054308	40.00% Georgian_Adjara + 60.00% Ottoman_MA2196
3.37003340	57.80% Greek_Pontus + 42.20% Uzbek
3.51106466	42.60% Greek_Pontus + 57.40% Ottoman_MA2196
3.53808203	70.80% Greek_Pontus + 29.20% Tubalar
3.54167550	63.80% Greek_Pontus + 36.20% Karluk_DA230
3.71858162	65.80% Greek_Pontus + 34.20% Karakalpak
3.79536492	64.60% Greek_Pontus + 35.40% Ottoman_MA2195
3.81547515	64.40% Greek_Pontus + 35.60% Nogai_Stavropol
3.81732947	68.00% Greek_Pontus + 32.00% Karakhanid_DA204
3.90521998	68.80% Armenian_East + 31.20% Nogai_Stavropol
3.90721575	63.20% Hemshin + 36.80% Nogai_Stavropol
3.96091537	28.40% Altaian_Chelkan + 71.60% Greek_Pontus
4.00615137	70.60% Greek_Pontus + 29.40% Xiongnu-Turk_DA41
4.03772495	66.00% Hemshin + 34.00% Nogai_Astrakhan
4.07975006	64.80% Hemshin + 35.20% Karakalpak
4.10308282	47.60% Armenian_East + 52.40% Ottoman_MA2196
4.11526853	62.80% Laz + 37.20% Nogai_Stavropol
4.17043965	70.20% Armenian_East + 29.80% Karakalpak
4.18918491	72.20% Greek_Pontus + 27.80% Kipchak_DA23
4.23706374	73.20% Armenian_East + 26.80% Kazakh
4.23837193	65.60% Laz + 34.40% Nogai_Astrakhan

Another one, matches indicate he might be from Mersin/Antalya. He and the one the above are not matching with each other. Again, he also matches with a few Kardzhali Turks. Interesting enough, these two samples could be magnets to spot Karamanids who were migrated to the Balkans!

Y: N-VL73
MT: C4a1a-a4

Code:

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Caucasus	29.8
2	Gedrosia	15.29
3	North_European	12.4
4	Atlantic_Med	12.25
5	East_Asian	10.14
6	Siberian	8.2
7	Southwest_Asian	8.12
8	South_Asian	2.75
9	Northwest_African	0.45
10	Sub_Saharan	0.31
11	East_African	0.27

Distance to:	X
2.12297000	44.00% Greek_Cappadocia + 56.00% Uzbek
2.70818180	46.60% Greek_Cappadocia + 53.40% Uzbeki
3.27236085	49.00% Greek_Rhodes + 51.00% Uzbeki
3.40976651	61.60% Greek_Cappadocia + 38.40% Xiongnu-Turk_DA41
3.43885449	49.60% Greek_Kos + 50.40% Uzbeki
3.49908494	43.20% Greek_Cypriot + 56.80% Uzbek
3.80373224	46.20% Greek_Rhodes + 53.80% Uzbek
3.88312322	45.80% Greek_Cypriot + 54.20% Uzbeki
4.04788039	47.00% Greek_Kos + 53.00% Uzbek
4.14052889	20.20% Assyrian_North + 79.80% Ottoman_MA2196
4.17879778	20.40% Azeri_Jew + 79.60% Ottoman_MA2196
4.19416302	20.20% Assyrian_West + 79.80% Ottoman_MA2196
4.19903656	20.20% Assyrian_South + 79.80% Ottoman_MA2196
4.19996143	20.00% Kurdish_Jew + 80.00% Ottoman_MA2196
4.20469191	24.00% Iraqi_Baghdad + 76.00% Ottoman_MA2196
4.20753196	20.40% Mandean + 79.60% Ottoman_MA2196
4.25235351	58.20% Greek_Cappadocia + 41.80% Karakhanid_DA204
4.25263530	25.40% Kurd_Kurmanji + 74.60% Ottoman_MA2196
4.25650390	19.80% Iraqi_Jew + 80.20% Ottoman_MA2196
4.35088945	51.00% Greek_Crete + 49.00% Uzbeki
4.36068022	60.00% Armenian_West + 40.00% Xiongnu-Turk_DA41
4.43642222	57.20% Greek_Pontus + 42.80% Xiongnu-Turk_DA41
4.44018961	19.80% Armenian_West + 80.20% Ottoman_MA2196
4.44552478	23.40% Kurd_Sorani + 76.60% Ottoman_MA2196
4.50667867	20.40% Armenian_East + 79.60% Ottoman_MA2196

**Kyp** · 06-08-2021, 09:35 AM

Turkish speaking Iranian from Markazi province:

Gedrosia: 23.14
Siberian: 3.30
NW_African: 1.56
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 5.26
North_European: 7.97
South Asian: 5.01
East_African: 0.91
SW_Asian: 12.41
East_Asian: 4.10
Caucasus: 36.33
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Saveh_Iranian
4.50896884 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.96442789 Azerbaijani_Republic
6.06649817 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
6.07485802 Iran_Central
6.55492944 Iranian_Fars
6.78417276 Azerbaijani_Northwest
6.82104831 Turkmen_Iraq
7.06122511 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.07765498 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.13719833 Kurd_Sorani
7.17244728 Yazidi_Kurd
7.51640206 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.90349923 Iranian_Khorasan
8.12853000 Kurd_Feyli
8.35501047 Iranian_Lur
8.43242551 Turk_Southeast
8.51847991 Azerbaijani_North
9.13410641 Iranian_Kerman
9.48440299 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.00132719 Turk_South
11.65105575 Turk_Central_East
11.76663928 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.37123680 Iranian_Mazandaran
12.38856731 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.70443623 Udi_Azerbaijan

Target: Saveh_Iranian
Distance: 2.3838% / 2.38383912 | ADC: 0.5x RC
52.8 Azerbaijani_Iran
33.5 Iranian_Fars
13.7 Turkmen_Iran

Republic Azerbaijani from Aghdara/Martakert:

Gedrosia: 22.60
Siberian: 1.76
NW_African: 1.45
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 7.11
North_European: 7.36
South Asian: 2.57
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 12.23
East_Asian: 3.64
Caucasus: 41.27
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Aghdara
2.64537332 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
3.08318018 Azerbaijani_Republic
3.51402903 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.98473337 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.10654356 Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.42253321 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.75190403 Azerbaijani_Northwest
5.96721040 Yazidi_Kurd
6.35357380 Azerbaijani_North
6.37257405 Turkmen_Iraq
6.54808369 Kurd_Sorani
7.10902947 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.13978991 Turk_Southeast
7.24421148 Kurd_Feyli
7.75213519 Iranian_Lur
7.81626509 Turk_East
8.05418525 Iran_Central
8.31815484 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.25373978 Turk_Central_East
9.69737593 Iranian_Fars
10.40899611 Turk_South
10.70185031 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.24441195 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.86064079 Azeri_Jew
11.90843399 Turk_Central_West

Target: Azerbaijani_Aghdara
Distance: 1.9054% / 1.90541221 | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.0 Azerbaijani_Republic
29.9 Talysh_Azerbaijan
22.1 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
4.0 Georgian_Adjara

Republic Azerbaijani from Tovuz:

Gedrosia: 19.28
Siberian: 2.44
NW_African: 0.00
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.76
North_European: 7.08
South Asian: 3.16
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 12.49
East_Asian: 7.90
Caucasus: 38.88
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Tovuz
4.60630003 Azerbaijani_Northwest
5.30960451 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.65515694 Turk_Southeast
6.01178842 Azerbaijani_Republic
6.04210228 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.33452445 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
7.36632201 Turk_Central_East
7.36896194 Turk_South
7.77993573 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.77262218 Turkmen_Iraq
9.01559760 Turk_Central_West
9.11242010 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.21421185 Azerbaijani_North
10.04367463 Turk_East
10.06287732 Talysh_Azerbaijan
10.37840065 Yazidi_Kurd
11.06897014 Turk_Southwest
11.08650531 Kurd_Sorani
11.23623157 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.31927118 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.47400976 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.62969905 Iran_Central
11.80344018 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.16985620 Iranian_Lur
12.32959042 Kurd_Feyli

Target: Azerbaijani_Tovuz
Distance: 1.8369% / 1.83691358 | ADC: 0.5x RC
78.6 Azerbaijani_Turkey
15.8 Mandean
5.6 Japanese

**Sterling Archer** · 06-08-2021, 10:43 AM

Very high EA, North West does it again!

**Leto** · 06-08-2021, 11:29 PM

Afghan (Pashtun?)
This is her

Gedrosia 35.38 Pct
Siberian 2.88 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.63 Pct
Atlantic_Med 2.83 Pct
North_European 15.66 Pct
South_Asian 18.12 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.67 Pct
East_Asian 1.67 Pct
Caucasus 18.78 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.39 Pct

Distance to: Yalda
2.34991489 Pashtun_Kandahar
3.66862372 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
4.81498702 Pashtun_Tarkalani
4.99732929 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
5.69630582 Tajik_Kabul
6.32317167 Kho
7.14099433 Pashtun_Yusafzai
8.62220389 Kalash
8.69029919 Nuristani
9.57114936 Pamiri_Ishkashim

Distance to: Yalda
1.14750794 70.40% Pashtun_Kandahar + 29.60% Pashtun_Uthmankhel
1.14933641 8.60% Nepali_Khas_Brahmin + 91.40% Pashtun_Kandahar
1.19623689 93.80% Pashtun_Kandahar + 6.20% West_Bengal_Brahmin
1.23999705 24.40% Kho + 75.60% Pashtun_Kandahar
1.25004554 7.20% Brahmin_Uttaranchal + 92.80% Pashtun_Kandahar
1.25724327 12.00% Haryana_Ror + 88.00% Pashtun_Kandahar
1.28978370 89.00% Pashtun_Kandahar + 11.00% Punjabi_Jatt
1.30589982 5.20% Kshatriya + 94.80% Pashtun_Kandahar
1.32325800 7.40% Gujarati_Brahmin + 92.60% Pashtun_Kandahar
1.33447602 4.80% Bangladeshi + 95.20% Pashtun_Kandahar

**Impaler** · 06-09-2021, 12:19 AM

Alawite/Assyrian?

Distance to: Omar
7.03614952 Nusayri_Turkey
7.16958855 Lebanese_Muslim
9.06952590 Assyrian_South
9.07224338 Iraqi_Baghdad
9.15149168 Assyrian_West
9.20462384 Mandean
9.28298443 Iraqi_Jew
9.31544953 Kurdish_Jew
9.36005342 Azeri_Jew
9.61032778 Assyrian_North
9.78891209 Lebanese_Christian
10.48352040 Armenian_West
10.59739591 Turk_East
10.61611040 Turk_Southeast
10.68745526 Syrian_Muslim
10.96389073 Turkmen_Iraq
11.11570061 Turk_Cyprus
11.27101149 Turk_Central_East
11.61697465 Greek_Cypriot
11.70430690 Palestinian

Target: Omar
Distance: 1.8788% / 1.87880230 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.7 Nusayri_Turkey
18.6 Georgian_Adjara
16.0 Iranian_Lur
10.6 Algerian
4.1 Bnei_Menashe_Jews

Target: Omar
Distance: 3.6033% / 3.60326885 | ADC: 0.5x RC
53.7 Nusayri_Turkey
23.7 Yazidi_Kurd
15.3 Turk_East
7.3 Algerian

Distance to: Omar
3.88009138 81.60% Armenian_West + 18.40% Moroccan
4.03959988 17.60% Algerian + 82.40% Armenian_West
4.16604901 83.80% Azeri_Jew + 16.20% Moroccan
4.22910303 83.40% Assyrian_North + 16.60% Moroccan
4.26920574 15.40% Algerian + 84.60% Azeri_Jew
4.29925225 16.00% Algerian + 84.00% Assyrian_North
4.39116736 84.60% Assyrian_South + 15.40% Moroccan
4.42067392 14.80% Algerian + 85.20% Assyrian_South
4.43767307 84.40% Assyrian_West + 15.60% Moroccan
4.45022396 15.00% Algerian + 85.00% Assyrian_West
4.45871722 15.40% Iranian_Bandari + 84.60% Nusayri_Turkey
4.48735519 82.20% Nusayri_Turkey + 17.80% Parsi_India
4.52601039 10.20% Nuristani + 89.80% Nusayri_Turkey
4.52891096 24.60% Iranian_Fars + 75.40% Nusayri_Turkey
4.53184045 90.20% Nusayri_Turkey + 9.80% PAK_Kohistani
4.53578547 88.40% Nusayri_Turkey + 11.60% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
4.55558565 9.00% Burusho + 91.00% Nusayri_Turkey
4.56730038 90.20% Nusayri_Turkey + 9.80% Sindhi_Hindu
4.57328813 12.40% Balochi + 87.60% Nusayri_Turkey
4.61488331 10.00% Kalash + 90.00% Nusayri_Turkey

**Mejgusu** · 06-09-2021, 03:49 PM

Someone should open a new thread, it is amazing that we already have 4 Dodecad threads, hopefully we will have at least 4 again with the same number of pages(and of course with many new samples)

**Kyp** · 06-10-2021, 12:53 PM

I plotted my whole Iran spreadsheet of Dodecadk12b samples and tried to mark the rough clusters by myself (small mistakes are to be excused). I also added the turkish clusters (non-balkan turkish) for reference. It's consistent with multiple studies indicating there is a central Iranian cluster most Iranians fall under (with their respective differences). Only outliers are Balochs, Turkmens, Armenians/Assyrians and Bandari populations.

n= +400

Turkey samples included:

Spoiler!

Some cluster may appear too big in comparison to others, but that's only because of larger sample size.

**Zagrosian** · 06-15-2021, 06:45 PM

Hello everyone. Leto, Kyp, Aren - I appreciate the work you're doing.
And I've learned that the original K12b spreadsheet had a lot of population groups with atypical average results?
In particular when it comes to the Caucasus scores among Assyrians, Mandeans and Armenians.
For instance, the Assyrian Caucasus score shouldn't be anywhere near as high as 52.2% and the North Euro score anywhere near as low as 0.9% even if you divide the group into North, South and West?
It seems the non-Beduin peoples of the Iranian Peninsula, Mesopotamia, East Anatolia, South Caucasus and the Levant aren't as distinctly different as the original Dodecad K12b spreadsheet could have you believe.

Are you/they still adding results from here to the Vahaduo updated K12b spreadsheet?
If so, I think you should only add those with known identity, in order to avoid skewed results due to confirmation bias.
The Turkmen_Iraq group seem to be based entirely on the Turkish-sounding names on the Iraq DNA project?
I think a big chunk of the individuals in those tests have known mixed ancestry, even if they have a Turkish, Kurdish, Christian or tribal Arabic name.
We also have to remember that just because someone is scoring like a Kurd_Kurmanji or Azerbaijani_Dagestan doesn't mean he identifies as such.
The results of randomly discovered kit numbers and K12b results of unknown individuals shouldn't be added to any of the population groups in my opinion.

These are my results. Kurd, Kermanshah province, Sunni.
Gedrosia: 25.74%
Siberian: 0.61%
NWAfrican: 1.16%
SEAsian: 0.35%
Atlantic-Med: 7.78%
North European: 8.42%
S Asian: 3.10%
E African: 0.73%
SW Asian: 14.41%
E Asian: 0.39%
Caucasus: 37.30%
Sub Saharan: 0.00%

In Vahaduo format:
Kurd_Kermanshah,25.74,0.61,1.16,0.35,8.42,7.78,3.1 0,0.73,14.41,0.39,37.30,0.00

This was an interesting result I came across. Not sure how common it is in that region, but it's a Kurd from Dohuk.
Gedrosia: 24.67%
Siberian: 0.81%
NWAfrican: 0.13%
SEAsian: 0.00%
Atlantic-Med: 9.55%
North European: 4.65%
S Asian: 0.81%
E African: 0.70%
SW Asian: 17.97%
E Asian: 0.97%
Caucasus: 39.54%
Sub Saharan: 0.21%

Kurd_Dohuk,24.67,0.81,0.13,0.00,9.55,4.65,0.81,0.7 0,17.97,0.97,39.54,0.21