Eurogenes Biogeographic Ancestry Project

[Supreme American]

Eh, I found a Eurogenes online and it's dedicated to cows.

[Loki]

I find it peculiar that there are Russians placed into the Estonian cluster. Well, as it's done by Polako, then I shouldn't find this surprising.

It's quite non-professional of him, though.

Oh come on Karl ... I find his work to be unbiased and professional, he is doing some great research there with the sampling that he has. I'm pretty sure when he found the clusters he did not have you or your Estonian-Russian rivalry in mind.

[Damião de Góis]

Finns, Estonians and Swedes are more woggish than me

Southwest Asian:

FI 4.03%
SE 2.65%
EE 2.52

That's weird, considering i have 0%

[Äike]

Oh come on Karl ... I find his work to be unbiased and professional, he is doing some great research there with the sampling that he has. I'm pretty sure when he found the clusters he did not have you or your Estonian-Russian rivalry in mind.

You completely misunderstood me. He just has extremist views about European history, which are very different from the main theories. He uses his "genetic project" to prove his point.

I cannot find any logical explanation to putting Russians into the Estonian cluster. Maybe that's the reason, why his results look so odd, like the high Mediterranean % among "Estonians", while in reality, Estonians are one of the least Mediterranean people in Europe.

That's weird, considering i have 0%

I stopped following his project a long time ago and I came to this thread, because Pallantides posted on my profile.

His results don't add up with professional researches.

To make it short, he is a biased amateur and taking everything (like Pallantides does) that his research says, as pure truth, isn't a good idea.

[Äike]

That's weird, considering i have 0%

I forgot to post this map:



As I said earlier, Polako's research is amateurish and gives very peculiar results that don't add up with professional genetic research.

[Loki]

To make it short, he is a biased amateur and taking everything (like Pallantides does) that his research says, as pure truth, isn't a good idea.

I totally disagree, his research is infinitely more professional than your criticism thereof.

There is a good reason why Estonians and Northeast Russians overlap or are close, and that is because NE Russia had a substantial Finnic substratum. Even you should know that.

So please stop polluting this thread with your infantile comments, and let the rest of us enjoy it. You're spamming it with nonsense and insults.

[Damião de Góis]

I forgot to post this map:



As I said earlier, Polako's research is amateurish and gives very peculiar results that don't add up with professional genetic research.

That map is also crap, because i also have 0% on Dodecad yet they show southern Portugal has having 2-5%. As far as i know i'm the only southern Portuguese person on Dodecad. That is mine and Kadu's assertion from the info we gathered about the portuguese sample.
On the other hand, Dodecad doesn't provide regional data about his samples, so Eupedia clearly made that map up, since they are saying they based it on Dodecad's data.

[Pallantides]

On the Fennoscandia project the Estonians and North Russians overlap as well.

[Äike]

I totally disagree, his research is infinitely more professional than your criticism thereof.

So please stop polluting this thread with your infantile comments, and let the rest of us enjoy it. You're spamming it with nonsense and insults.

Please continue enjoying Eurogenes' dubious information which doesn't add up with professional research in many occasions, I won't stop anyone. I was just stating that there are some shortcomings.

There is a good reason why Estonians and Northeast Russians overlap or are close, and that is because NE Russia had a substantial Finnic substratum. Even you should know that.

Of course I know that, for instance, the St. Petersburg region was still very Finnic in the early 20th century.

On the Fennoscandia project the Estonians and North Russians overlap as well.

Anyway, how is this related to ethnic Russians being put into the Estonian group?

Finnic or not, they have a substantial amount of Slavic admixture and belong into their own group.

[Humanophage]

WE12 individuals: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...aSk9zYkE#gid=0
Ethnic averages for WE12: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...W9MdlR1dm43Umc

As before, some selected populations and my results (sorted by Baltic):


RU44
Sub-Saharan African 0.00%
Baltic 69.07%
Siberian 1.36%
Southwest Asian 3.60%
South Asian 1.77%
East African 0.00%
South Central Asian 0.00%
Southeast Asian 0.00%
Mediterranean 15.53%
East Asian 0.00%
Caucasian 2.16%
Western European 6.51%

Again, very Baltic. Again, elevated South Asian elements in individuals belonging to Erzya, Vologda Russians, etc.

Please continue enjoying Eurogenes' dubious information which doesn't add up with professional research in many occasions, I won't stop anyone. I was just stating that there are some shortcomings.

Could you give links to the said professional research? As far as I know, it corresponds well to Rasmussen and Yunusbaev. In fact, it's probably better - for instance, many published articles cite Vologda Russians as simply Russian (thought they are very peculiar genetically), it is difficult to find any details of their work, etc.

Additionally, while Estonians may be similar to Russians on a wider scale, they show up quite distinct on admixture runs. As you can see, their West Euro component is considerably larger than that of Russians (21-22% vs. 0-10% with a couple of outliers that reach 12-15%). The Med component is much higher in Russians (6-8% in Estonians, 8-25% in Russians). What's so unusual and anti-Estonian about this?

There are some wrong and wacky parts in all such researches (including professional), but on the overall I wouldn't call them unreliable - and you can often see what is wrong in particular (e.g. the Finns suddenly getting SW Asian in this run) by looking at the patterns.