Ancient samples GEDmatch kits

[mattp]

High coverage Irish western hunter gatherer Sramore 62 from recent featured study focusing on Newgrange

Gedmatch kit number UZ9741157

[smd555]

I have a question - which one of these kits is true for the sample DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_?:

1. LP4438020

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit LP4438020

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 53.03
2 North_Atlantic 23.36
3 West_Med 9.48
4 West_Asian 4.37
5 East_Med 3.84
6 Red_Sea 2.31
7 Amerindian 0.94
8 South_Asian 0.93
9 East_Asian 0.74
10 Northeast_African 0.48
11 Siberian 0.3
12 Oceanian 0.22

2. Kit Number: Z933098
Name: DA29
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5136809

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit Z933098

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 53.91
2 North_Atlantic 31.52
3 West_Med 12.3
4 West_Asian 1.61
5 Red_Sea 0.52
6 East_Med 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lithuanian 5.95
2 Estonian 7.27
3 Estonian_Polish 7.75
4 Belorussian 7.88
5 Russian_Smolensk 8.31
6 Polish 9.07
7 Southwest_Russian 11.24
8 Finnish 11.6
9 Ukrainian 11.7
10 Ukrainian_Belgorod 11.74
11 Kargopol_Russian 12.03
12 East_Finnish 12.12
13 South_Polish 12.64
14 Southwest_Finnish 13.21
15 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.24
16 Erzya 14.48
17 Croatian 19.03
18 La_Brana-1 19.66
19 North_Swedish 20.16
20 East_German 21.11

3. Or this: https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post546650

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 55.9
2 North_Atlantic 27.04
3 West_Med 10.14
4 West_Asian 3.23
5 East_Med 2.9
6 Red_Sea 0.54
7 Amerindian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lithuanian 4.2
2 Estonian_Polish 6.71
3 Belorussian 7.03
4 Russian_Smolensk 7.42
5 Estonian 8.84
6 Southwest_Russian 9.34
7 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.72
8 Polish 10
9 Kargopol_Russian 10.69
10 Erzya 11.55
11 Ukrainian 11.78
12 East_Finnish 12.5
13 Finnish 13.02
14 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.37
15 South_Polish 13.41
16 Southwest_Finnish 16.08
17 Croatian 19.31
18 La_Brana-1 21.15
19 Moldavian 22.22
20 Hungarian 23.24

[Ajeje Brazorf]

I have a question - which one of these kits is true for the sample DA29_European_in_Kazakhstan_1300_AD_700_?:

1. LP4438020



2. Kit Number: Z933098
Name: DA29
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5136809



3. Or this: https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post546650

The first one, 1. LP4438020

[Bronwen]

Hi there, thank you for all these samples. I'm trying to reply to a particular comment but I'm not used to forums and I'm new to this one. I made this account to contact you in particular but I don't see a private message option so I have to spam here instead, sorry everyone

I have a LOT of segments in common with:
Kit Number: M959325
Name: *PunnW_X

So I was just wondering...who is this?! �� I'd love to know where this sample is from and the name of the sample because googling "PunnW_X" is getting me nowhere

Thank you

[Leto]

Hi there, thank you for all these samples. I'm trying to reply to a particular comment but I'm not used to forums and I'm new to this one. I made this account to contact you in particular but I don't see a private message option so I have to spam here instead, sorry everyone

I have a LOT of segments in common with:
Kit Number: M959325
Name: *PunnW_X

So I was just wondering...who is this?! �� I'd love to know where this sample is from and the name of the sample because googling "PunnW_X" is getting me nowhere

Thank you

Hi,
I can't say exactly what it is but it looks basically identical to modern Iberians (Spanish/Portuguese) judging by the calculator results

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 41.87
2 West_Med 24.45
3 East_Med 13.86
4 Baltic 11.21
5 Red_Sea 4.58
6 Sub-Saharan 2.2
7 Northeast_African 1.4
8 East_Asian 0.28
9 West_Asian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 3.24
2 Portuguese 4.11
3 Spanish_Murcia 4.16
4 Spanish_Galicia 4.51
5 Spanish_Cataluna 4.68
6 Spanish_Extremadura 5.12
7 Spanish_Valencia 5.34
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5.56
9 Spanish_Cantabria 6.26
10 Spanish_Aragon 6.98
11 Spanish_Andalucia 7.16
12 Southwest_French 8.46
13 French 9.45
14 North_Italian 12.21
15 South_Dutch 15.37
16 West_German 15.83
17 Tuscan 17.66
18 French_Basque 17.97
19 Southeast_English 18.9
20 Southwest_English 19.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 1.2% Yoruban @ 2.91
2 98.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 1.3% Mandenka @ 2.93
3 98.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 1.2% Bantu_S.W. @ 2.97
4 98.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 1.2% Bantu_S.E. @ 2.98
5 98.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 1.2% Biaka_Pygmy @ 3.01
6 98.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 1.2% Luhya @ 3.04
7 98.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 1.2% Bantu_N.E. @ 3.05
8 99% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 1% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 3.09
9 99.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 0.9% San @ 3.14
10 96.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 3.4% Southeast_English @ 3.18
11 98.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 1.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.18
12 97.3% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 2.7% Danish @ 3.18
13 97.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 2.8% West_Scottish @ 3.18
14 97.3% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 2.7% North_Dutch @ 3.18
15 97.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 2.3% Norwegian @ 3.19
16 97.3% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 2.7% Orcadian @ 3.19
17 99% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 1% Saudi @ 3.19
18 97.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 2.1% Swedish @ 3.19
19 97.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 2.8% Southwest_English @ 3.19
20 98.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 1.8% North_Swedish @ 3.2

I would assume it's some medieval sample.

[Bronwen]

Spanish! The mystery deepens

I worked my way through the lists and have the biggest matches with the mystery kits with no identifiers lmao Crimean Nogay (CF1951785), Chechen Republic (FA2011994), a Uyghur (T635433), and a Turkmen (JX5977924). For a woman from England, I'm pretty intrigued. I had bigger and a greater amount of matches to these than ones I would have expected, like German Bell Beakers and stuff!

[J. Ketch]

Spanish! The mystery deepens

I worked my way through the lists and have the biggest matches with the mystery kits with no identifiers lmao Crimean Nogay (CF1951785), Chechen Republic (FA2011994), a Uyghur (T635433), and a Turkmen (JX5977924). For a woman from England, I'm pretty intrigued. I had bigger and a greater amount of matches to these than ones I would have expected, like German Bell Beakers and stuff!

Comparing yourself with ancient samples isn't going to produce any meaningful matches on the level of close relatives, it's impossible.

These tools are a better way to measure your genetic similarity to ancient samples:

Using Eurogenes K36 results
https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/ancient.htm

Using Eurogenes K13 results
http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/Eurogene...nt-vahaduo.htm

[Bronwen]

Don't worry, I'm not expecting that.
Those tools are cool but I prefer human stories to cold numbers, so I was just hoping someone might know the IDs for the samples so I can find out things like time period and culture.

[smd555]

I am interested in these two samples:

CZE_EE:I7193,0.12862,0.151314,0.09428,0.02907,0.100634,0.00529 9,0.003995,0.008307,0.061971,0.053213,-0.005034,0.007643,-0.000743,0.001376,0.00665,-0.001591,-0.01004,0.006968,-0.003771,0.01088,0.037434,0.007419,-0.01972,-0.064708,0.00491
CZE_EE:I14168,0.133173,0.173656,0.072784,-0.023256,0.099403,-0.020917,0.00094,-0.000692,0.067902,0.087838,-0.004222,0.016485,-0.040436,-0.013349,0.002443,-0.00053,-0.001173,0.005701,-0.000251,-0.002376,0.022835,0.007914,-0.016638,-0.046031,0.008981

Were they uploaded into Gedmatch or were they calculated in K13?

[Lucas]

I am interested in these two samples:



Were they uploaded into Gedmatch or were they calculated in K13?

What is that exaclty?