Genetic Distances to Iron Age Canaanite Samples

[Leto]

Did you see a gedmatch kit number for these two iron age samples? I'd like to plot them on the K15 PCA

No. I don't even know if they are on Gedmatch. I'd say G25 is more suitable for that type of samples.

[Hamilcar]

I'm surprised in general other canaanite samples tend to be closer to samaritans and palestinian christians. As for ashkenazi jews nothing surprising, I don't understand why people keep pushing the idea of them being MEs...they are literally a modern version of Philistines lol

[Isleño]

No. I don't even know if they are on Gedmatch. I'd say G25 is more suitable for that type of samples.

I plotted the two Iron Age Canaanite samples with Levantines and Jews and ran some distance runs with them as well.



Here is the distance run to the iron age sample Abel:12201







Here is the distance run to the iron age sample Megiddo_IA:14517






And here is a PCA I made with a the two iron age Canaanites, Levantines and Jews:






The PCA is probably too small to read in the pic I posted, so here is a link to the PCA that will blow it up bigger to see: https://ibb.co/Fw509ST

[Leto]

I plotted the two Iron Age Canaanite samples with Levantines and Jews and ran some distance runs with them as well.

Great. They seem to be even more southern than modern Levantines. How much East Med and Red Sea do they score?

[RogueState]

Obvious proof that Palestinians are the real Jews, native to the land...

[Isleño]

Obvious proof that Palestinians are the real Jews, native to the land...

Well the Palestinians are the native people of the land and you can see that they cluster with other Levantines such as Lebanese, Jordanians and Syrians and also show the closest distance to the ancient Canaanite samples. We know that much now. But I wouldn’t call Palestinians as Jews because of a DNA test result that matches Canaanites, a people that existed in Israel/Palestine (Canaan) before the arrival of the Hebrew ancestors of the ancient Jews.

All this test tells us is that Palestinians and other Levantines are the closest to the original ancient Canaanites that predated Hebrews in Israel/Palestine. That means they are very native. And that’s where we should leave it until ancient Hebrews are tested against these modern populations.

[White Swan]

I was previously aware the Israeli Jews in general are not actual Judahites just from reading the Bible, but these tests were very interesting to see.

I see the modern Druze are moderately close to the ancient samples as well, which makes sense because the anomolous X mtdna was determined to be a product of the bronze age near east since they have genetically isolated themselves from a time when the haplogroup was more common in the area. The Druze are described as a snapshot of circa bronze age near east.

(Side note on the Druze: interesting phenotypes you see there.
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I wish they recorded more specific information, like which phenotypes presented the X2 maternal haplogroup. If anyone knows where to find this, please let me know. How likely is it that those who share a haplogroup will share phenotypes, and also either way- is that necessarily the case? I'm still figuring out how this stuff works.)

Anyways, I would be interested to hear if you have any comment concerning the ancient paternal or maternal haplogroups of the area, and specifically X mtdna? I have been curious about X2 maternal haplogroup since it is so rare and associated with many geographical anomalies that make it hard to believe we have a complete picture of history. I know most usually use history to piece together genetics, but maybe we can use genetics to help piece together history in wierd cases like this. What else are we to do with this haplogroup?
In short, it only shows up in significant quantities in certain genetically isolated groups like the Druze, the "Native" Americans, the Basques, and the Hutterites, it is very widespread geographically both in modern and ancient times being the mtdna of ancient samples found anywhere from Europe, to the middle east, to North America, and found all throughout modern Europe as well but with extremely low frequency. Does any of this mean anything to you?

Thank you in advance if you are interested in providing your thoughts. I figured you might have some since this is an old post and you are back to it but sorry if I'm bothering you with my questions lol.

I also researched the sites from which you found your samples, there's other interesting archeological finds there, like this figurine:
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[amazigh_Morocco]

I've taken genetic data of the only two Iron Age Canaanite samples from a 2020 DNA study on Canaanite DNA from Israel (The Genomic History of the Bronze Age Southern Levant; Agranat-Tamir et al. 2020) and I made a K13 distance run using modern Levantine populations consisting of Levantine populations: Lebanese Christians, Lebanese Muslim, Lebanese Druze, Samaritans, Palestinian Christians, Palestinian Muslims, Jordanian Muslims and Syrian Muslims. I also used modern Jews including Ashkenazi Jews, Sephardic Jews, Iraqi Jews, Kurdish Jews, Moroccan Jews, Tunisian Jews, Libyan Jews, Yemenite Jews, Chechnya Mountain Jews, Georgian Jews and Moldovan Jews. The two Iron Age Canaanites in the study were Megiddo_IA:1417 and Abel:I2201. Here are the distance runs (for those that are not familiar with genetic distance runs, the smaller the number the closer in genetics the outgroup is to the target population).



Iron Age sample from Tel Megiddo







Iron Age sample from Abel Beth Maacah






As you can see, the top four closest groups genetically to the Tel Megiddo sample, in order are: #1 Palestinian Muslims, #2 Palestinian Christians, #3 Samaritans and #4 Jordanians and the closest groups genetically to the Abel Beth Maacah sample are the #1 Samaritans, #2 Lebanese Christians, #3 Palestinian Christians and #4 Palestinian Muslims. All Levantine groups used were genetically closer to the ancient samples than all Jewish groups used. Iraqi Jews were the closest Jews in relation to both samples and Ashkenazi Jews were the furthest genetically from both samples. Let's discuss it.

every body knows that. Here is the clustering of Jews + some middle east population.
https://i.ibb.co/Ms1dNj0/Genetic-cluster-Jew.jpg

[amazigh_Morocco]

Well the Palestinians are the native people of the land and you can see that they cluster with other Levantines such as Lebanese, Jordanians and Syrians and also show the closest distance to the ancient Canaanite samples. We know that much now. But I wouldn’t call Palestinians as Jews because of a DNA test result that matches Canaanites, a people that existed in Israel/Palestine (Canaan) before the arrival of the Hebrew ancestors of the ancient Jews.

All this test tells us is that Palestinians and other Levantines are the closest to the original ancient Canaanites that predated Hebrews in Israel/Palestine. That means they are very native. And that’s where we should leave it until ancient Hebrews are tested against these modern populations.

Jews came from where ?
The Bible is not an history book. The Hebrews were Canaanites with a different religion, they did not come from Egypt.

[amazigh_Morocco]

Well the Palestinians are the native people of the land and you can see that they cluster with other Levantines such as Lebanese, Jordanians and Syrians and also show the closest distance to the ancient Canaanite samples. We know that much now. But I wouldn’t call Palestinians as Jews because of a DNA test result that matches Canaanites, a people that existed in Israel/Palestine (Canaan) before the arrival of the Hebrew ancestors of the ancient Jews.

All this test tells us is that Palestinians and other Levantines are the closest to the original ancient Canaanites that predated Hebrews in Israel/Palestine. That means they are very native. And that’s where we should leave it until ancient Hebrews are tested against these modern populations.

Jews came from where ?
The Bible is not an history book. The Hebrews were Canaanites with a different religion, they did not come from Egypt.