Afghanistan war

[Dandelion]

The West lost in Afghanistan. Nobody would win there coming from a radically different system unless you'd commit mass genocide. In Panjshir Province, anti-Taliban forces are still standing (one of the few regions where they were willing to fight, the Afghan army as we know were consistent of useless non-soldiers who were smoking hashish all day and not exactly loyal to boot), but I do think those vehicles and firearms having been left by the US might make it difficult for them to defend versus Taliban despite being in a mountainous geography. We'll see.

The Taliban are certainly not a bunch for us to look at as winners to emulate. lol They hardly had to fight to gain control over Afghanistan.

[SneedsFeedNSeed]

Your post is so pathetic.



Yeah, it’s the male who is attracted to the woman, but the woman is like the devil… It demonises the woman while the man is at fault.

This is Matthew’s gospel (5,28) says: “But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”

Ah, okay, so it's okay to commit adultery in Christianity since "everyone's already done it by looking at a woman".
Matthew 5:29-30 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

So do we take the whole paragraph literally, or do we pick and choose now when it doesn't suit you?

Leviticus 20:10 ‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death."

But of course, you don't obey God's laws, you think He is barbaric and evil, and you pick and choose what you like, and then call it "Judaeo-Christian".

And it’s nice the part you added reminds us that Islam condones to have slaves and to have sex with them, to have sex slaves.

Exodus 21:7-8 “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself,[b] he must let her be redeemed."

I note that as a good Muslim, you take for granted that majority of people in Hell are women… And sure, all these statements on women absolutely don’t nourish hostility towards them…

Well then you'll hate women when you read this:
Genesis 3:16 To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”

What is this? God punished every single woman in history for what Eve did, including the good women?

The status of the holy Scriptures is very different in Christianity and in Islam. Also, it's not my fault if there’s a supremacy of the letter. In fact, because of the very limited human cognition according to Islam, it is necessary to avoid as much as possible the allegory, the metaphor, as it is the effect of the subjectivity of the human mind, of an individual consciousness, of imagination. It is not objective as something objective is something whom the reality imposes itself to the spirit independently from any interpretation, from any affective or personal element.

No, it is necessary to you only when judging our scripture, but not your own. When you judge your own, then you read "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." but you say "This Judaeo-Christian value teaches us to allow homosexual marriage in our superior society".
This is, according to you, God instructing people. The same God you say you worship - that God told people to do this. And you look at us crookedly.

Yeah, men can approach their tilth when and how they will:

"Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great." (4:34)

Ephesians 5:22-24 "Wives, obey your husbands as you obey the Lord. The husband is the head of the wife, just as Christ is the head of the church people. The church is his body and he saved it. Wives should obey their husbands in everything, just as the church people obey Christ."

And I repost this, which specifies women are deficient in intelligence:

1 Timothy 2:11-13 "A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve."
1 Corinthians 14:34-35 "The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. "

I never said all women can be lawfully rape, the text you mention is about a Muslim woman. Infidels especially are lawful for rape. It doesn’t change anything to the fact that Islam legitimates rape.

No, you made that conclusion up. Even in the case of a non-muslim slave(and slaves, both in Europe and Asia, and Africa etc. were all expected to obey their owners) a free man gets flogged and fined - that's the minimal punishment for rape.

And Safiyya bint 'Ubaid said:
"A governmental male-slave tried to seduce a slave-girl from the Khumus of the war booty till he deflowered her by force against her will; therefore 'Umar flogged him according to the law, and exiled him, but he did not flog the female slave because the male-slave had committed illegal sexual intercourse by force, against her will." Az-Zuhri said regarding a virgin slave-girl raped by a free man: The judge has to fine the adulterer as much money as is equal to the price of the female slave and the adulterer has to be flogged (according to the Islamic Law); but if the slave woman is a matron, then, according to the verdict of the Imam, the adulterer is not fined but he has to receive the legal punishment (according to the Islamic Law).

You throw rocks in a glass house - you'll be the one to pick up every single piece.

[Dandelion]

Well, I think people here are talking next to each other and misunderstanding posts. But it's a lost cause here anyway.

[Laly]

I am catholic, unlike you.

THE CATECHISM SAYS FOLLOWING

ARTICLE 3
SACRED SCRIPTURE

I. CHRIST - THE UNIQUE WORD OF SACRED SCRIPTURE

101 In order to reveal himself to men, in the condescension of his goodness God speaks to them in human words: "Indeed the words of God, expressed in the words of men, are in every way like human language, just as the Word of the eternal Father, when he took on himself the flesh of human weakness, became like men."63

102 Through all the words of Sacred Scripture, God speaks only one single Word, his one Utterance in whom he expresses himself completely:64

You recall that one and the same Word of God extends throughout Scripture, that it is one and the same Utterance that resounds in the mouths of all the sacred writers, since he who was in the beginning God with God has no need of separate syllables; for he is not subject to time.65
103 For this reason, the Church has always venerated the Scriptures as she venerates the Lord's Body. She never ceases to present to the faithful the bread of life, taken from the one table of God's Word and Christ's Body.66

104 In Sacred Scripture, the Church constantly finds her nourishment and her strength, for she welcomes it not as a human word, "but as what it really is, the word of God".67 "In the sacred books, the Father who is in heaven comes lovingly to meet his children, and talks with them."68


Your view of christianity is undogmatic.

You are ridiculous, it doesn’t contradict what I said at all. You didn’t show what’s written after. If you want a religion of profound mental debility, where human cognition, questioning is useless and dangerous, just embrace Islam, don't pretend things on Christianity.

Catechism, a bit further:

“108 Still, the Christian faith is not a "religion of the book". Christianity is the religion of the "Word" of God, "not a written and mute word, but incarnate and living".73 If the Scriptures are not to remain a dead letter, Christ, the eternal Word of the living God, must, through the Holy Spirit, "open (our) minds to understand the Scriptures."74”

“109 In Sacred Scripture, God speaks to man in a human way. To interpret Scripture correctly, the reader must be attentive to what the human authors truly wanted to affirm, and to what God wanted to reveal to us by their words.75

110 In order to discover the sacred authors' intention, the reader must take into account the conditions of their time and culture, the literary genres in use at that time, and the modes of feeling, speaking and narrating then current. "For the fact is that truth is differently presented and expressed in the various types of historical writing, in prophetical and poetical texts, and in other forms of literary expression."76

111 But since Sacred Scripture is inspired, there is another and no less important principle of correct interpretation, without which Scripture would remain a dead letter. "Sacred Scripture must be read and interpreted in the light of the same Spirit by whom it was written."77

The Apostolic exhortation Verbum Domini is very interesting on the topic, as well as the dogmatic constitution Dei Verbum.

Dei Verbum (https://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_...verbum_en.html)

“In composing the sacred books, God chose men and while employed by Him (2) they made use of their powers and abilities, so that with Him acting in them and through them, (3) they, as true authors, consigned to writing everything and only those things which He wanted. (4)

12. However, since God speaks in Sacred Scripture through men in human fashion, (6) the interpreter of Sacred Scripture, in order to see clearly what God wanted to communicate to us, should carefully investigate what meaning the sacred writers really intended, and what God wanted to manifest by means of their words.

The interpreter must investigate what meaning the sacred writer intended to express and actually expressed in particular circumstances by using contemporary literary forms in accordance with the situation of his own time and culture. (7) For the correct understanding of what the sacred author wanted to assert, due attention must be paid to the customary and characteristic styles of feeling, speaking and narrating which prevailed at the time of the sacred writer, and to the patterns men normally employed at that period in their everyday dealings with one another. (8)

13. In Sacred Scripture, therefore, while the truth and holiness of God always remains intact, the marvelous "condescension" of eternal wisdom is clearly shown, "that we may learn the gentle kindness of God, which words cannot express, and how far He has gone in adapting His language with thoughtful concern for our weak human nature." (11) For the words of God, expressed in human language, have been made like human discourse, just as the word of the eternal Father, when He took to Himself the flesh of human weakness, was in every way made like men.

Verbum Domini (https://www.vatican.va/content/bened...-domini.html):

In short, by the work of the Holy Spirit and under the guidance of the magisterium, the Church hands on to every generation all that has been revealed in Christ. The Church lives in the certainty that her Lord, who spoke in the past, continues today to communicate his word in her living Tradition and in sacred Scripture. Indeed, the word of God is given to us in sacred Scripture as an inspired testimony to revelation; together with the Church’s living Tradition, it constitutes the supreme rule of faith.[65]

19. A key concept for understanding the sacred text as the word of God in human words is certainly that of inspiration. Here too we can suggest an analogy: as the word of God became flesh by the power of the Holy Spirit in the womb of the Virgin Mary, so sacred Scripture is born from the womb of the Church by the power of the same Spirit. Sacred Scripture is “the word of God set down in writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit”.[66] In this way one recognizes the full importance of the human author who wrote the inspired texts and, at the same time, God himself as the true author.

The Quran being the uncreated word of God, it’s valid the same way everywhere and at any time, in its literality, of course. On the contrary, the modalities of the Revelation in Christianity, through true human authors, allow a real hermeneutics, that is real contextualisation and questioning.

[SneedsFeedNSeed]

Its not even moral to cheat on your spouse by christian standards.
Its socially frowned upon.

But we dont promote murdering people for it.
That is the difference. In actual practice muslims do this. In christian societies its not promoted nor condoned legally.

In islam abuse and murder is the solution to everything.

A spouse being cheated on doesn't call for murder. It would call for a divorce.
Any sane person would know that.
And preferably were the mans property that he purchased himself will not be taken from him. Wether there was a prenup or not.
How can we justify the murder?
She has not murdered anyone
She has not abused anyone
She has not stolen
She has not threatened anyones life


She has cheated yes, so we divorce her, at best maybe monetary compensation for breaking vows as time was commited to this person and be and continue your life.

Murder does not reconcile anything in this situation.

Muslims look up only fans as well. And they participate in sex slavery of women. Acting like onlyfans is a good gotcha is rediculous. They also look for minors to marry.


She will face her consequences regardless when she wants to settle down for a serious commitment. Onlyfans is a big stigma and these kind of women will never be truly happy.


Because it says it in a book doesn't mean its right.
Thats not how you rationalize things.

I agree that rapists should be given capital punishment.
However theres been false accusations. Therefore its better to imprison them.

They generally reap what they sow in prison anyways.

Bro, I accept that you are reasonable like we are(I mean us here, not like people in a wasteland), and we know and admit that there are irrational, crazy people doing crazy things, and we hope they repent and mend their ways when they have done bad things - I'm just responding to the brazen attack on our scriptures, holding us to a standard that would eliminate every single religion on the planet. It shouldn't be a fight between religions. People had sex with slaves in medieval Europe over a thousand years after Christ, and then that changed way later, and that is good, we agree. But people outside of Europe do not agree. And they need to go through "medieval times" before they understand why we dislike it here. That is why it is a bad idea to import them here in massive numbers. And that is why we say we don't want to have slaves or multiple wives etc. here, even if our scripture allows it like other religions allow it.

We are happy about the taliban takeover for one major reason: all the crimes you see happen in Europe by the refugees, the taliban scare them into doing less of it, so they try to flee so they can try to do it outside too. Even if it sucks, even if it is strange that women can't go to school there for many years now, even if they forbid them from going outside or whatever, they will train their society to become less coomery, and to punish the worst immorality. That is good. Afghanistan needs to be a safer, better place, so that Afghans will stop going to other countries, because it doesn't make sense for entire populations to leave huge areas empty obviously. America tried to just transplant some values to them - it doesn't work. They need to take their time and experiment societally, and they will, God willing, allow women to go outside and in schools. They're not obliterating women en masse, the occasional criminal woman gets punished, that's fine, and should be fine to everyone.
But furthermore, there is no more America to impose things like pronoun training or self-loathing stuff on them - and we are glad that at least one country is free from that, and we hope that you will also be free from that.

[Teutone]

You question dogmas, you question the bible if it not fits your narrative beyond interpretation, you question the catechism as your view on islam contradicts it, you are a relativist at its best, a lutheran in your core.

[Marmara]

Sharia law will literally stone women to death for not covering their face.

Sharia law makes it legal for child marriage.



Afgan women should be given consideration, to be an afgan women must be terrible and tough life.

This is not Shariah, this is lynching by a mob.

In Shariah normally stoning is only applicaple to adulterers, and requires four witnesses to the adultery who would need to directly witness the penis penetrating to vagina. This requirement led Islamic scholars to conclude that stoning is only done if the act of adultery was made in public with exhibitionist reasons, historically stonings in Islamic countries were almost never practiced. The punishment itself is not even in the Quran.

Only Qadis who are well versed in islamic law can decide a punishment after a trial in a Shariah court, the video above is a result of an uneducated medieval society, Africans do the same for people they believe to be witch doctors.

Also, in the Hanafi fiqh (the predominant intepretation of Islam in Afghanistan), female face is not needed to be covered.

[Laly]

You question dogmas, you question the bible if it not fits your narrative beyond interpretation, you question the catechism as your view on islam contradicts it, you are a relativist at its best, a lutheran in your core.

You didn't even read all I wrote, lol. You are pathetic, you just want Christianity to be another Islam, but you have a huge problem with reality. Just embrace Islam and stop pretending things just because it suits your mindset.

[Faklon]

The West lost in Afghanistan. Nobody would win there coming from a radically different system unless you'd commit mass genocide. In Panjshir Province, anti-Taliban forces are still standing (one of the few regions where they were willing to fight, the Afghan army as we know were consistent of useless non-soldiers who were smoking hashish all day and not exactly loyal to boot), but I do think those vehicles and firearms having been left by the US might make it difficult for them to defend versus Taliban despite being in a mountainous geography. We'll see.

The Taliban are certainly not a bunch for us to look at as winners to emulate. lol They hardly had to fight to gain control over Afghanistan.

Old Joe made the same argument, seems that NATO could only attract disloyal junkies.

Makes me feel pathetic personally.

[Dandelion]

Old Joe made the same argument, seems that NATO could only attract disloyal junkies.

Makes me feel pathetic personally.

I saw the videos of those 'soldiers' and not just the jumping jacks ones (their being potheads explains those latter). Well, the Soviets were far more brutal and neither they were able to impose their government there. It's not a question of weakness in my opinion. If China invaded tomorrow, they'd also have a difficult time.

Only Hitler or Stalin would succeed there with genocide as their method. But I pass for that and I think only brainwashed totalitarian societies like those are able to go at such lengths.