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Over all this kind of genetic discussion is boring (and full waste of anybodies time) IF we will not link it to the much higher purposes ... like who are superior to Finns in Europe and who are inferior to Finns in Europe?
I have pretty clear picture of that. Of course few ''so-so'' cases (ethnics). How about you?
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Gobineau was a Nordicist though, not a "white supremacist". He disliked Meds too. He is either only basing his experience on Saami or Russian Finno-Ugrics, or he's just full of shit. Finns were amongst the tallest in Europe(certainly taller than N. French), less wide faced than the heavily Alpinid French and Germans. French is kind of irrelevant I guess, because if he was a Nordicist he probably preferred people like Dutch/Flemish, Scandos, Germans, etc, the VUR brigade probably disagrees but even compared against Germans there's probably more Finns of the oldschool "Nordic" type than Germans(Finns below):
Even if we take the Finnish type Gobineau talks about, say, Ilari Sahamies:
ignoring the eyes obviously and perhaps the cheekbones, people of his stature, skull shape, etc, the features most referred to in oldschool anthropology, aren't uncommon in W Europe.
The Guanche skulls as a whole are unlike those of modern European Mediterraneans, and resemble northern European series most closely, especially those in which a brachycephalic element is present, as in Burgundian and Alemanni series.divided them into clearly differentiated types, which include a Mediterranean, a Nordic, a "Guanche," and an Alpine. The "Guanche" accounts for 50 per cent of the whole on the four islands of Teneriffe, Gomera, Gran Canaria, and Hierro; the Nordic for 31 per cent, the Mediterranean for 13 per cent, and the Alpineoldschool anthropology
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Levanluhta was 500 AD, not 500 BC. They were Saami like people from the Saami era. Of course they were not exactly same as Saamis today.
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Yes, there are still many questions about R1a in Baltic region. For example, Livonians have even more R1a and less N than Estonians.
My estimation for Livonians were 47.5 pct R1a and 28.3 pct N. I used data from Northern Courland and Southern Courland (R1a was higher in North and N higher in South) and assumed that ancient Curonians had similar values in North and South. However sample size was only 29 and 33 respectively. Here is a full table sorted by highest N/R1a ratio:
Also subclades of R1a is important, by data from https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/328024517.pdf Estonians have 5 pct. M-458:
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Gotland? I knew that first humans ever in Gotland island might have reminded Finns (the most). Yes. I know Gotland. I have been there. Have you been in Visby? It is beautiful city and so is whole island, lots of flowers etc. ... or it was until muslim refugees reached even there ... raping local young girl (who was in wheelchair).
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I write about those Viking Age Gotlanders who were surprising eastern. Like Slavs, Estonians or Finns. They were more eastern than Viking Age people at Ladoga and Saaremaa. Actually in Saaremaa and Ladoga they were like recent Swedes.
Finns did exist 1000 years ago, but not during the Stone Age. So those first humans were not like Finns, they were hunter-gatherers by genes.
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Gotlanders have 3 times higher Baltic-specific LWb blood marker than inland Swedes. I found it yesterday in this valuable article:
https://www.semanticscholar.org/pape...4bc47a65b6dd3f
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Yeah, Gobineau was a Germanic + Celtic supremacist. I am pretty sure that he had never even seen a Finn. His argument for looking down on Finns was because they had no nobility, but had been ruled by a Swedish nobility. As Hungarians had their own, he considered them as higher ranking on his race ladder. Although he also looked down on Slavs and Hungarians and described Mulattos as more beautiful than them. Mongoloids were his least favourite race.
Gobineau was pretty influential for his time, but later, not even someone like Hans F.K. Günther could agree with him on everything.
It is evident that Gobineau's work on race, which was carried out before investigations into race had reached any tangible results, is in many of its details no longer tenable to-day.
- The Racial Elements of European History, Chapter XII
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Almost half of the Finnish N1c is from the 500 years old East Finnish expansion. We know it sure. So one example more of the ydna bottle neck. Similar bottle necks, followed by an expansion stage can have occurred also in Latvia etc. We simply cannot use distributions without knowing also clade ages.
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