The origin and legacy of the Etruscans through a 2,000-year archeogenomic time transect

[Dr_Maul]

I don't wanna talk to you but okay. To be clear, by "Middle Eastern" I mean Biblical Israelite ancestry, not some obscure pre-historic stuff. There's no way they are only 20% Middle Eastern as that model suggests. You need samples from 1000 BC through 1 AD. That's what I'm interested in.

Like this?

[Leto]

Near-East is as a simple word as Europe. It looks to be Anatolian, Anatolia was culturally Roman, modern Turkey is full of Roman-era sites and half of the core Christian saints come from there.

The entire area between the Maghreb and Iran was viewed very differently back then compared to now. The Tunisian, Libyan and Egyptian coasts were firmly Greco-Roman from pre-Christian times up until the 7th century.

[Faklon]

You don't want to use definition from Wikipedia, do you? Look on map.

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_East

Yy, you are a Negropolrebby and you know it.

Gothic kings like Alaric I who were born in the modern Balkans, were Near-Easterners.

So, ultimately they got only Gothic influx. Polrebby logic.

[Leto]

Like this?

Thanks, that chart looks pretty good. Only a Sephardic avg is missing. Though 55-60% ME for Eastern Ashkenazim might be a tiny bit too high.

[Lucas]

Yy, you are a Negropolrebby and you know it.

Gothic kings like Alaric I who were born in the modern Balkans, were Near-Easterners.

So, ultimately they got only Gothic influx. Polrebby logic.

YES

[Faklon]

The Tunisian, Libyan and Egyptian coasts were firmly Greco-Roman from pre-Christian times up until the 7th century.

There were cities in these modern countries, in Anatolia it was every city.

[Dr_Maul]

Thanks, that chart looks pretty good. Only a Sephardic avg is missing. Though 55-60% ME for Eastern Ashkenazim might be a tiny bit too high.

Swapping Etruscan with ITA_Rome_Imperial (aka compensating for the Roman East Med admix) brings it down to ~25%, which seems a bit low I think. due to overfit of shared components, academic studies should probably be referred to here

[Flashball]

Are the samples available on the Global 25?

[Lucas]

Campiglia dei Foci (Colle di Val d’Elsa, Siena), n=3
- Geographical coordinates: 43.4134155,11.0742656 (Campiglia dei Foci)
- Radiocarbon dates range (n=3): 780-520 cal BCE
- Analyzed individuals: CAM001, CAM002, CAM003
The three individuals coming from the locality of Campiglia dei Foci were found in 1984 during the excavation of the so-called Pierini Tomb, an Etruscan grave dating back to the Archaic period. The tomb was accidentally discovered during the renovation of a private garden and its excavation was conducted by the Gruppo Archeologico Colligiano, under the supervision of the Soprintendenza Archeologica della Toscana. The Pierini tomb consists of two rectangular chambers separated by a central partition. It represents one of the most significant Etruscan finds in the Valdelsa territory for the peculiarity and state of preservation of the grave goods, which are now conserved at the Civic Museum of Colle Val d’Elsa (116). The archaeological attribution of the tomb to the 7th-6th century BCE is consistent with the radiocarbon dates obtained for the three individuals reported in this study (8th-6th century BCE).

CAM002 (genotype ratio 68%)

Distance to: CAM002
1.04538474 FR_Franche_Comte
1.11351064 FR_Ile-de-France
1.11467136 IT_Aosta
1.13003911 IT_Trentino
1.13219717 IT_Piedmont
1.13266029 FR_Central
1.16167782 FR_Provence
1.19116746 Swiss_German
1.20434556 IT_Veneto
1.22319960 Swiss_Italian

Distance: 7.9333% / 7.93329643
Target: CAM002 | ADC: 0.25x RC
44.0 IT_Trentino
14.8 ES_Andalusia_North
14.5 DE_Nordrhein
12.6 FR_South
8.3 FR_Normandy
5.8 PL_Suwalki

[Lucas]

CAM001
genotype ratio 78%

Distance to: CAM001
1.48265308 IT_Lombardia
1.57368096 Swiss_Italian
1.59205761 FR_Corsica
1.74782269 IT_Liguria
1.78540089 IT_Toscania
1.80142815 Portugal_Norte
1.82216966 IT_Emilia-Romagna
1.90696875 IT_Trentino
2.00182821 ES_Cataluna
2.01821893 IT_Piedmont

Target: CAM001 | ADC: 0.25x RC
61.8 IT_Lombardia
20.2 ES_Cantabria
18.0 IT_central_Sardinian



CAM003 54%

Target: CAM003 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.4 IT_Lombardia
22.4 ES_Burgos
17.5 IT_southern_Sardinian
9.7 Basques_ES_Gipuzkoa_central


Distance to: CAM003
1.35276296 FR_Corsica
1.43226062 ES_Cataluna
1.45749740 ES_Islas_Baleares
1.48307659 IT_Liguria
1.48350327 ES_Valencia
1.49344802 IT_Lombardia
1.50669485 Portugal_Norte
1.52102227 Portugal_Centro
1.56936434 ES_Galicia
1.58894721 Swiss_Italian