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Thanks for the reply. I did check out that website and it appears that you have to permanently upload your DNA to an online database? I wasn't aware of that.
I would be using a sibling's DNA since I was too cheap to get my own 23andme done. lol. My 2 sisters both got it done and their results were pretty much identical, so I figured there wasn't much point in me getting it done too. In that case, I'll definitely have to look more into it and ask for their permission.


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Hey so I got my mom's data and ran it against the reference samples you posted in this thread (as well as the base samples provided by GEDmatch and the vahaduo website) and got the following:
She is 3/4 Ukrainian (top region on 23andme was Ivano-Frankivsk) and 1/4 Romanian (top Region was Suceava). Again, everyone traces back to Bukovina before immigrating to Canada.
Population
North_Atlantic 21.9 Pct
Baltic 40.1 Pct
West_Med 13.35 Pct
West_Asian 6.68 Pct
East_Med 13.29 Pct
Red_Sea 0.92 Pct
South_Asian 0.83 Pct
East_Asian 0.69 Pct
Siberian 1.28 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.97 Pct
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 7.09
2 Moldavian 7.48
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.76
4 Ukrainian 9.05
The Croat distance I'm assuming just reflects the limitations of this method of an analysis. When you mix a SW Ukrainian with a Moldovan, you get something that the program thinks looks similar to a Croat, even though her overall genetics won't be anything like one.
For K15
North_Sea 18.01 Pct
Atlantic 10.28 Pct
Baltic 26.51 Pct
Eastern_Euro 17.17 Pct
West_Med 9.54 Pct
West_Asian 7.44 Pct
East_Med 8.42 Pct
Red_Sea 1.21 Pct
South_Asian 0.07 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.39 Pct
Siberian 0.29 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.66 Pct
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 6.15
2 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.27
3 Croatian 7.59
4 Ukrainian 7.95
5 South_Polish 8.88
6 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.78
7 Southwest_Russian 10.47
8 Hungarian 10.67
K13 Using the Reference Samples you posted in this thread:
5.34456734 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
8.57928901 Ukrainian_Romania
8.60163938 Moldova_North
10.08980674 Ukrainian_Lviv
10.42271078 Ukrainian
11.41611142 Romania_Moldavia_North
11.66148361 Moldova_Centre
14.68532601 Romania_Moldavia_South
17.36902991 Moldova_South
All of this more or less makes sense given her ancestry and it's rather consistent with her 23andme report. Something is a bit unusual though.
Her Baltic to North Atlantic ratio seems very high. Compared to pretty much every similar reference sample, her Baltic is higher and her North Atlantic is lower. And I think this is preventing her from getting a close match to any individual region.
Her: 21.9, 40.1
Ukrainian_Lviv: 27.35, 41.85
Ukrainian_Carpathian: 26.50, 38.13
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk: 26.18, 38.44
Ukrainian_Romania: 28.41, 35.25
Romania_Moldavia_North: 24.73, 29.80
Romania_Moldavia_South: 23.84,26.94
Moldova_North: 25.89, 33.33
Moldova_Centre: 22.58, 29.72
Moldova_South: 21.75, 24.97
On the other hand, her 1:1 ratio of East Med:West Med seems rather consistent with Romania, whereas Western Ukraine (including Zakarpattia), Hungary, etc. have significantly higher West Med.
For this reason, the Oracle calculations tend to mix her with something high in Baltic and something high in (especially east) Med. For example:
71.5% Southwest_Russian + 28.5% Greek_Thessaly = 3.71
72% Lithuanian + 28% Cyprian = 3.78
Anyway, I'll talk to one of my sisters and get their raw data. My mom is only 1/4 Romanian and her family was from different villages than my dad's side, so I'm curious to see how different mine (my sister's) would look.





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Presumably a half Lipovan Russian from Botosani
North_Atlantic 24.37 Pct
Baltic 39.23 Pct
West_Med 10.88 Pct
West_Asian 6.7 Pct
East_Med 13.46 Pct
Red_Sea 1.45 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 2.62 Pct
Amerindian 0.51 Pct
Oceanian 0.79 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -




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These results make sense for someone who is majority Ukrainian (3/4) and minority Moldovan/Romanian (1/4), as it is in this case.
Those averages from above are more than one year old. My latest averages are:
You could also use more specific averages like:Code:Romania_Moldavia_North,24.89,30.80,15.19,9.09,14.27,1.69,0.84,0.56,1.37,0.53,0.47,0.17,0.13 Romania_Moldavia_South,24.02,26.72,16.79,9.78,17.00,2.06,0.64,0.58,1.14,0.64,0.37,0.10,0.16 Moldova_average,23.31,31.19,15.42,9.57,14.52,1.81,0.97,0.63,1.41,0.46,0.42,0.12,0.18 Moldova_Centre,23.53,31.20,15.11,9.56,14.31,1.77,1.20,0.52,1.58,0.45,0.46,0.15,0.17 Moldova_North,23.99,33.84,14.21,9.52,12.52,1.74,0.78,0.71,1.23,0.39,0.74,0.08,0.27 Moldova_South,21.97,26.97,17.49,10.22,17.43,2.16,0.92,0.45,1.23,0.54,0.35,0.12,0.14
Code:Romania_Moldavia_Botosani,25.16,32.26,14.76,8.68,14.15,1.22,0.64,0.47,1.51,0.46,0.42,0.07,0.19 Romania_Moldavia_Suceava,26.26,32.00,14.15,8.41,13.27,1.52,0.89,0.53,1.64,0.52,0.47,0.27,0.09 Romania_Moldavia_Iasi,23.95,30.08,15.76,9.28,15.03,1.96,1.00,0.57,1.12,0.55,0.45,0.15,0.10 Romania_Moldavia_Neamt,24.23,27.91,16.48,10.54,14.44,2.12,0.67,0.77,1.29,0.61,0.59,0.17,0.18 Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui,25.50,28.13,15.78,9.06,15.71,2.14,0.56,0.49,1.58,0.47,0.24,0.13,0.19 Romania_Moldavia_Bacau,23.64,27.10,16.95,10.14,16.61,2.06,0.52,0.67,0.78,0.74,0.55,0.06,0.17 Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea,23.24,24.98,17.56,10.74,17.20,2.21,0.94,0.66,1.31,0.71,0.27,0.12,0.08 Romania_Moldavia_Galati,23.54,25.33,17.32,9.51,18.82,1.95,0.67,0.59,1.02,0.59,0.40,0.12,0.13 Romania_Ukrainian,26.55,37.87,13.11,5.62,11.13,1.47,1.30,1.39,0.85,0.15,0.43,0.12,0.00 Romanian_Cernauti(Chernivtsi),25.37,33.29,12.72,10.48,12.73,1.63,0.47,0.89,1.07,0.61,0.28,0.26,0.20But at the end of the day, these are averages, so your results are not supposed to fit perfectly.Code:Moldova_Edinet_judet,24.96,33.94,14.67,9.14,12.35,1.34,0.53,0.53,1.34,0.69,0.29,0.16,0.08 Moldova_Soroca_judet,23.87,33.35,13.80,9.26,13.58,1.64,1.13,0.72,1.48,0.43,0.47,0.13,0.16 Moldova_Balti_judet,24.13,32.35,14.76,8.89,13.74,1.56,1.04,0.59,1.70,0.42,0.44,0.13,0.25 Moldova_Balti_city,24.53,32.13,14.81,8.31,14.49,1.85,0.84,0.78,1.16,0.22,0.47,0.18,0.21 Moldova_Orhei_judet,25.04,31.56,14.42,10.20,13.52,1.63,0.87,0.14,1.49,0.46,0.34,0.17,0.18 Moldova_Ungheni_judet,23.08,31.47,14.69,9.63,15.53,1.49,0.75,0.40,1.40,0.87,0.44,0.00,0.23 Moldova_Chisinau_judet,24.17,30.31,15.97,9.40,13.15,2.18,1.56,0.42,1.42,0.59,0.41,0.10,0.32 Moldova_Chisinau_city,22.91,31.40,15.15,9.89,14.16,1.93,1.19,0.67,1.50,0.48,0.42,0.15,0.12 Moldova_Lapusna_judet,21.80,29.89,15.73,9.71,17.27,1.30,1.38,0.64,1.12,0.57,0.36,0.12,0.13 Moldova_Tighina_judet,21.11,24.57,17.88,11.84,18.98,3.10,0.27,0.49,0.77,0.36,0.32,0.12,0.20 Moldova_Cahul_judet,22.85,26.00,18.46,9.79,17.03,2.20,0.55,0.59,1.37,0.68,0.31,0.12,0.06 Moldova_Ukrainian+Russian,26.25,41.42,11.44,6.50,8.77,0.99,1.10,0.66,1.26,0.60,0.35,0.39,0.25
However, I can tell you confidently, that your results make perfect sense for someone who is 3/4 Ukrainian and 1/4 Romanian/Moldovan from that area. They could even pass as 1/2 Ukrainian and 1/2 Moldovan/Romanian and in that area of Ukraine they are not unusual even for people who consider themselves full Ukrainians.
The North Atlantic to Baltic ratio that you touched upon can be random, even within one's family. Both are components characteristic of Northern latitudes in Europe, only that one pulls to the West, and the other to the East. Don't get fixated on that disparity. There are people who have them even in equal amounts. With the sum of your components, that would have been 30 to 30.




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Distance to: Vega7_mom 3.05852906 Moldova_mixed_34_Ukrainian 3.11157516 Ukraine_mixed_1_Cernauti_5/8Romanian_3/8Ukrainian 3.14839642 Moldova_mixed_5_1/2Ukrainian_1/2Moldovan 4.45250491 Moldova_mixed_28_Balti 4.61473726 Moldova_mixed_29_Ukrainian 4.62630522 Moldova_mixed_37_Russian 4.79397539 Moldova_mixed_7_1/2Drochia_1/2TransnistriaOdessa 4.81563080 Moldova_mixed_1_2/4Ukrainian_1/4Moldovan_1/4Polish 4.94165964 Moldova_mixed_16_1/2Russian_1/2Moldovan 5.30914306 Moldova_mixed_26_Transnistrian_Ukrainian 5.79570531 Moldova_mixed_2_1/2Drochia_1/2Polish 5.84155801 Moldova_mixed_25_Transnistrian_Ukrainian 5.93263011 Moldova_mixed_33_Ukrainian 6.09380833 Moldova_mixed_9_1/2Russian_1/2Moldovan 6.91783926 Ukraine_Hutsul_2_IvanoFrankivsk 7.02924605 Moldova_mixed_35_Ukrainian 7.13016129 Moldova_mixed_13_1/2Russian_1/2Moldovan 7.20843256 Moldova_mixed_12_MoldovanUkrainianRussian 7.38693441 Moldova_mixed_30_Transnistrian_Ukrainian 7.69736318 Moldova_mixed_4_1/2Ukrainian_1/2Moldovan 7.78233256 Moldova_mixed_31_Ukrainian 7.79777532 Moldova_mixed_36_Ukrainian 7.89648656 Moldova_mixed_27_Ukrainian 8.27183172 Moldova_mixed_3_10/16Ukrainian_6/16Moldovan 8.56453151 Ukraine_Hutsul_1_IvanoFrankivsk


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Alright makes sense. So far pretty much everything I've seen has just told me exactly what I should expect given my family tree. So I guess that suggests this stuff is pretty accurate. But my sister is coming over tomorrow and then I should be able to check that one.
Anyway, thanks a lot.




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Target: Romania_Moldavia_mixed_42_Botosani_1/2Lipovan_1/2Romanian
Distance: 3.2205% / 3.22049393
52.7 Moldova_Ungheni_judet
36.2 Russian_Southwest
7.7 Russian_Kostroma
3.4 Moldova_Balti_city
Target: Romania_Moldavia_mixed_42_Botosani_1/2Lipovan_1/2Romanian
Distance: 3.2419% / 3.24193893 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.7 Moldova_Ungheni_judet
45.2 Russian_Southwest
4.1 Moldova_Balti_city
Target: Romania_Moldavia_mixed_42_Botosani_1/2Lipovan_1/2Romanian
Distance: 3.2430% / 3.24301404 | R2P
54.5 Moldova_Ungheni_judet
45.5 Russian_Southwest
Distance to: Romania_Moldavia_mixed_42_Botosani_1/2Lipovan_1/2Romanian
3.24306151 54.60% Moldova_Ungheni_judet + 45.40% Russian_Southwest
3.43374637 57.80% Moldova_Balti_city + 42.20% Russian_Southwest
3.53240031 62.60% Moldova_Ungheni_judet + 37.40% Russian_Kostroma
3.63889194 58.40% Romania_Moldavia_Botosani + 41.60% Russian_Southwest
3.64414825 62.80% Moldova_Soroca_judet + 37.20% Russian_Southwest
3.71251146 65.80% Moldova_Balti_city + 34.20% Russian_Kostroma
3.73624658 58.80% Moldova_Balti_judet + 41.20% Russian_Southwest
3.74164839 50.80% Romania_Moldavia_Iasi + 49.20% Russian_Southwest
3.88813195 70.60% Moldova_Soroca_judet + 29.40% Russian_Kostroma
3.94175994 67.00% Moldova_Ungheni_judet + 33.00% Russian_Northern_Dvina
3.95340659 61.00% Moldova_Ungheni_judet + 39.00% Russian_Smolensk
3.96616015 60.60% Moldova_Ungheni_judet + 39.40% Russian_average
3.98401227 66.80% Romania_Moldavia_Botosani + 33.20% Russian_Kostroma
4.08740993 70.20% Moldova_Balti_city + 29.80% Russian_Northern_Dvina
4.13628254 67.20% Moldova_Balti_judet + 32.80% Russian_Kostroma
4.16694774 74.80% Moldova_Soroca_judet + 25.20% Russian_Northern_Dvina
4.18252216 59.20% Romania_Moldavia_Iasi + 40.80% Russian_Kostroma
4.19449998 64.00% Moldova_Balti_city + 36.00% Russian_average
4.22171208 57.80% Romania_Moldavia_Suceava + 42.20% Russian_Southwest
4.24139840 69.20% Moldova_Soroca_judet + 30.80% Russian_average
4.27919184 69.80% Moldova_Soroca_judet + 30.20% Russian_Smolensk
4.34484024 64.20% Moldova_Edinet_judet + 35.80% Russian_Southwest
4.36677642 71.00% Romania_Moldavia_Botosani + 29.00% Russian_Northern_Dvina
4.37081097 64.80% Moldova_Ungheni_judet + 35.20% Russian_Kargopol
4.38406588 64.80% Moldova_Balti_city + 35.20% Russian_Smolensk
Used references
Code:Russian_average,26.03,47.50,8.65,5.49,2.99,0.68,1.32,0.45,4.75,1.23,0.46,0.15,0.31 Russian_Kargopol,24.92,48.36,7.52,5.54,1.50,0.04,2.49,0.23,6.67,1.70,0.23,0.53,0.26 Russian_Kostroma,26.19,48.54,6.21,5.35,3.19,0.39,1.05,0.69,6.37,1.16,0.52,0.19,0.16 Russian_Northern_Dvina,26.52,49.43,5.57,4.65,1.14,0.51,0.99,0.44,8.60,1.19,0.47,0.17,0.34 Russian_Smolensk,28.16,48.47,8.74,5.82,3.83,1.69,1.38,0.17,0.85,0.43,0.38,0.06,0.01 Russian_Southwest,25.91,47.21,8.25,6.80,6.26,0.55,1.00,0.22,2.14,0.81,0.43,0.19,0.23 Romania_Moldavia_Botosani,25.16,32.26,14.76,8.68,14.15,1.22,0.64,0.47,1.51,0.46,0.42,0.07,0.19 Romania_Moldavia_Suceava,26.32,31.78,14.25,8.46,13.26,1.52,0.91,0.54,1.61,0.52,0.46,0.28,0.09 Romania_Moldavia_Iasi,23.95,30.08,15.76,9.28,15.03,1.96,1.00,0.57,1.12,0.55,0.45,0.15,0.10 Moldova_Edinet_judet,24.96,33.94,14.67,9.14,12.35,1.34,0.53,0.53,1.34,0.69,0.29,0.16,0.08 Moldova_Soroca_judet,23.87,33.35,13.80,9.26,13.58,1.64,1.13,0.72,1.48,0.43,0.47,0.13,0.16 Moldova_Balti_judet,24.13,32.35,14.76,8.89,13.74,1.56,1.04,0.59,1.70,0.42,0.44,0.13,0.25 Moldova_Balti_city,24.53,32.13,14.81,8.31,14.49,1.85,0.84,0.78,1.16,0.22,0.47,0.18,0.21 Moldova_Ungheni_judet,23.08,31.47,14.69,9.63,15.53,1.49,0.75,0.40,1.40,0.87,0.44,0.00,0.23





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Cool. His Y DNA is listed as I1 which is rare in Russia but not super rare or exotic (about 5% of ethnic Russians), mtDNA is K1c.
His Dodecad oracles
For all the niggas out there who wonder what he looks likeCode:MM,4.42,2.63,0,0.12,21.79,48.03,0,0,4.74,0,18.28,0 Distance to: MM 4.82736988 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk 5.77226992 Moldovan_North 6.80683480 Croat 7.06055239 Hungarian_North 7.23838380 Bosnian 7.44844950 Croat_South 7.92077648 Slovak 7.93240821 Hungarian_Alföld 8.21087693 Hungarian 8.25729980 Slovenian Distance to: MM 1.47664208 24.80% Greek_Icaria + 75.20% Russian_Tver 1.55460865 68.20% Russian_Voronezh + 31.80% Turk_Makedonya 1.62408194 29.80% Greek_Foca + 70.20% Russian_Tver 1.63462351 44.80% Pomak_Greece + 55.20% Russian_Tver 1.64320350 31.20% Greek_Athens + 68.80% Russian_Tver 1.70797017 19.80% Greek_Rhodes + 80.20% Russian_Voronezh 1.71343069 20.20% Greek_Kos + 79.80% Russian_Voronezh 1.71961785 24.20% Italian_Apulia + 75.80% Russian_Voronezh 1.72181354 21.60% Greek_Crete + 78.40% Russian_Voronezh 1.72551424 27.40% Greek_Izmir + 72.60% Russian_Tver Target: MM Distance: 1.2564% / 1.25637102 | ADC: 0.25x RC 52.4 Moldovan_North 40.4 Russian_Voronezh 2.7 Chechen 2.4 Chuvash 2.1 Kuwait2
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