Are Ashkenazis as really Levantine as they say they are?

[Leto]

It's possible to tell apart Eastern Ashkenazi groups on average. Sure, you'll be wrong a lot of the time, but it's possible and some people are extreme examples of certain Eastern Ashkenazi subtypes. V5 sucks with all of Gedmatch, btw, not just that specific calculator. The autosomal differences follow linguistic differences btw. Northeastern Ashkenazim (speakers of Northeastern Yiddish) have more Mesopotamian/West Asian and East Asian affinity than Southeastern Ashkenazim (speakers of Southeastern Yiddish). Her Baltic score made her very likely Eastern Ashkenazi and her low East Asian and low West Asian scores make her very likely Southeastern. But, this is V5, so it can fuck shit up. You should also look at the EastMed/WestAsian ratio. It's higher in Southeastern Jews.

Interesting, I had no idea about such differences. Do they exist because of assimilated Sephardim in certain parts of the region? Russian oligarch Vladimir Gusinsky obtained a Spanish passport after he supposedly proved he had Sephardic ancestry. I guess he just bought it

[Pine]

Interesting, I had no idea about such differences. Do they exist because of assimilated Sephardim in certain parts of the region? Russian oligarch Vladimir Gusinsky obtained a Spanish passport after he supposedly proved he had Sephardic ancestry. I guess he just bought it

It's a mystery right now. Numerous possibilities exist. The way it's being looked at is why Northeastern Jews (Litvaks) have elevated West and East Asian. Numerous guesses: Crimean Karaite admixture, Higher % of East Knaanic ancestry (Jews in the region who predated Ashkenazi arrivals), migration of Mizrachim (maybe Mizrachi Radhanites who brought East Asian wives with them). It's unknown right now, but the evidence is currently pointing at a higher fraction of East Knaanic ancestry.

[Leto]

It's a mystery right now. Numerous possibilities exist. The way it's being looked at is why Northeastern Jews (Litvaks) have elevated West and East Asian. Numerous guesses: Crimean Karaite admixture, Higher % of East Knaanic ancestry (Jews in the region who predated Ashkenazi arrivals), migration of Mizrachim (maybe Mizrachi Radhanites who brought East Asian wives with them). It's unknown right now, but the evidence is currently pointing at a higher fraction of East Knaanic ancestry.

Lukasz told me most Jews came to Poland during and after the rule of Casimir the Great (1333-1370). I really doubt there were any Mizrahim in modern Belarus or Lithuania in the year 1000, for example.

[CordedWhelp]

It's a mystery right now. Numerous possibilities exist. The way it's being looked at is why Northeastern Jews (Litvaks) have elevated West and East Asian. Numerous guesses: Crimean Karaite admixture, Higher % of East Knaanic ancestry (Jews in the region who predated Ashkenazi arrivals), migration of Mizrachim (maybe Mizrachi Radhanites who brought East Asian wives with them). It's unknown right now, but the evidence is currently pointing at a higher fraction of East Knaanic ancestry.

I’m so fascinated by the idea of the Knaanim...too bad we do not know a lot more about them, but we may make some guesses about them with realistic certainty. Also; is it “still” the case that the EA within AJ’s is Cantonese?

[Pine]

Lukasz told me most Jews came to Poland during and after the rule of Casimir the Great (1333-1370). I really doubt there were any Mizrahim in modern Belarus or Lithuania in the year 1000, for example.

Jews certainly existed in Eastern Europe prior to the 1300's. Here is an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_of_Kiev
Right now, it seems likely that they came from Byzantine/Crimean territory. There is a lot more on this.

[Pine]

I’m so fascinated by the idea of the Knaanim...too bad we do not know a lot more about them, but we may make some guesses about them with realistic certainty. Also; is it “still” the case that the EA within AJ’s is Cantonese?

M33c2 still is most likely to be Chinese. N9a3 isn't as clear. There is also at least one other tiny clade in A.

[Roy]

In Mexico, the average mena/west asian /levantine Is the same as the average African sub-saharan admixture 1-6%

But Spaniards simply deny this facts. Modern Spaniards don't share west asian ancestry North African yes but not west asian, mean while Mexicans do get Jew/levantine matches (Palestinian/Jews etc) both on DNA testing and gedmatch.

I noticed that too. Why is that Levantine admixture and having Ashkenazi matches so common in Mexicans?

[Pine]

I noticed that too. Why is that Levantine admixture and having Ashkenazi matches so common in Mexicans?

It's shared Sephardi ancestry.

[Flub]

I could imagine something like 15% Palestine, 20% Asia Minor, 15% Greece, 25% Southern Italy and 25% Central Italy.

Maybe the real composition one day will be found out. There should be possibilities for that, f. i. via direct connections with ancient DNA.

Is the Asia Minor, Turkish? Aren't they just as whole mostly Hellenic Greek? (70-85%). That would then just be mostly Southern European at 79-82%, some Turkic (6-3%), and lastly MENA at 15%.

No one knows about the composition, yet? I thought Ashkenazis were a highly sampled population.

[Flub]

Btw, I think the modeling of 50% Levantine & 50% Italian is bogus, that would only just shift away from the cluster of Southern European. If you had to model 50% Levantine with any European it would be something north western like British or Orcadian. 50% Samaritan & 50% British would model what an AJ would be.