Who, genetically, are the least Slavic of the Slavs?

[Jana]

Here are more realistic models for Serbs/Slovenians with modern proxies (and yes, I won't artifically reduce the fit by overfitting)

Target: Serb
Distance: 2.6352% / 2.63517890

51.4 Belarusian_Minsk
48.6 Italian_Abruzzo

Target: Slovenian
Distance: 2.6332% / 2.63320865

56.8 Belarusian_Minsk
43.2 Italian_Veneto

Target: Montenegrin
Distance: 1.9240% / 1.92395683

42.3 Belarusian_Minsk
32.5 Italian_Marche
25.2 Italian_Molise

[Jana]

How did they look like, honestly never saw a result? Honestly I was thinking they were very southern like Greek islanders too?

Illyrians (in Croatia at least) were north Italian like, Thracians (in Bulgaria) more central-south Italian like. Than they got woggified by East Med input in Roman times. But it could not pull them that much south.
Btw, ethnogenesis of Serbs according to them happened in Illyrian territory which is on level of central Italy, so modeling their pre-Slavic part with something very southern only to increase Slavic percentage is incorrect.

New paper on Balkan DNA modeled Serbs and southern Croats as just simply Slavic + Iron Age Balkan, and said Roman genetics did not leave much impact.
Croat samples from Dalmatia were little over half Slavic, Serb samples from Belgrade were little below half Slavic.

[reboun]

Here are more realistic models for Serbs/Slovenians with modern proxies (and yes, I won't artifically reduce the fit by overfitting)

Target: Serb
Distance: 2.6352% / 2.63517890

51.4 Belarusian_Minsk
48.6 Italian_Abruzzo

Target: Slovenian
Distance: 2.6332% / 2.63320865

56.8 Belarusian_Minsk
43.2 Italian_Veneto

Target: Montenegrin
Distance: 1.9240% / 1.92395683

42.3 Belarusian_Minsk
32.5 Italian_Marche
25.2 Italian_Molise

I didn’t know that Italians are that southern shifted for their location. May I use this data to use in a thread?

[Jana]

I didn’t know that Italians are that southern shifted for their location. May I use this data to use in a thread?

Italians are not southern shifted for their location, what are you talking about? And no, I don't want this to be used because I have much better ancient models.

[Jana]

The problem with Dinaric I2a1b1 is it's supposed to be a very new haplogroup but it's found in Cardium Pottery culture in Spain and in a neolithic German.

Of course it was not found there, that are completely unrelated clades. I don't want to hear more stupidity about this haplo spread around, it's 2021 ffs, learn that it's Slavic already.

[reboun]

Of course it was not. I don't want to hear more stupidity about this haplo spread around, it's 2021 ffs, learn that it's Slavic already.

Okay, I won’t use them. The reason for me to think Italians are southern shifted for their location is, their country is located between Iberian peninsula and Balkans while Italians are southern shifted than both Iberians and Balkan Slavs.

[Jana]

Okay, I won’t use them. The reason for me to think Italians are southern shifted for their location is, their country is located between Iberian peninsula and Balkans while Italians are southern shifted than both Iberians and Balkan Slavs.

Balkan Slavs are heavily Slavic dumbass. We are northern shifted for our location because we came there in medieval. Of course Slavic genetics is alien to southern Europe.

[Jana]

with ancient samples on G25, where I only used pure examples (heavily northeastern individual Krakauer Berg + AV2 for Slavs etc)

No need to model with Romans at all just like upcoming paper states. These are more realistic percentages (keep in mind those are academic averages from capital cities, so mish mash of lot of stuff
-Slovene average includes some other south slav admixed people, Belgrade average includes people with roots from Montenegro etc)

Target: Slovenian
Distance: 0.6909% / 0.00690864

59.6 (Balto-)Slavic
35.8 Balkan
4.6 Celto-Germanic

Target: Serbian
Distance: 1.2317% / 0.01231690

50.8 Balkan
49.2 (Balto-)Slavic

Target: Montenegrin
Distance: 1.1779% / 0.01177904

53.0 Balkan
47.0 (Balto-)Slavic

[reboun]

Balkan Slavs are heavily Slavic dumbass. We are northern shifted for our location because we came there in medieval. Of course Slavic genetics is alien to southern Europe.

Was such an insult mandatory?

[vbnetkhio]

If talking only about entire ethnicities, then Macedonians.

If also including the regional level, then the far northern Russians. For example, Pskov Russians are identical to Latvians, and Archangelsk Russians are like Finns with a bit more Siberian shift.