Who, genetically, are the least Slavic of the Slavs?

[Jana]

And Vbn, even if we ignore Krakauer Berg, Moravian samples and Avar 2 are still Lithuanian and Belorussian like.

[Varda]

Sungir6 is good sample, not only for some N.Macedonians, but for other too. I cant be modeled without it, to get close distance.

I dont care about fairytales about Lithuanian-like early Slavs.

It's hard to believe that Slavs who settled in the Balkans in late 6th and first half of 7th century were like modern Lithuanians. They were probably most similar to modern Ukrainians and Poles. Part of the Slavs before crossed Danube river lived 100 years or more in Pannonia and present day Romania roughly since 500 AD, their further origin is from Ukrainian areas. Other part of Slavic settlers in the Balkans arrived from west Slavic regions (Czechia, Lusatia, Poland). There is no connection with Lithuania.

[Jana]

Two Krakauer samples with the least Germanic and highest Balto Slavic drift are in fact KRA006 and KRA009. One is more Ukrainian-like and the other more Belarusian.

You sure? I used Kra 001,011 and 009. They don't look Germanic at all to me.

Target: (Balto-)SlavicEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA011
Distance: 2.0951% / 0.02095059 | R3P

63.0 Belarusian
30.8 Lithuanian_VZ
6.2 Spanish_Pais_Vasco


Target: (Balto-)SlavicEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009
Distance: 1.9297% / 0.01929686 | R3P

65.2 Lithuanian_RA
32.2 Slovakian
2.6 Eritrean


Target: (Balto-)SlavicEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
Distance: 2.0746% / 0.02074608 | R3P

45.8 Slovakian
42.4 Lithuanian_SZ
11.8 Cossack_Kuban

[Jana]

It's hard to believe that Slavs who settled in the Balkans in late 6th and first half of 7th century were like modern Lithuanians. They were probably most similar to modern Ukrainians and Poles. Part of the Slavs before crossed Danube river they lived 100 years or more in Pannonia and present day Romania roughly since 500 AD, their further origin is from Ukrainian areas. Other part of Slavic settlers in the Balkans arrived from west Slavic regions (Czechia, Lusatia, Poland). There is no connection with Lithuania.

Bad analogy. Just because early Slavs could have been like between Belarus and Litwa genetically does not mean they originate from such area.
Neither are modern Poles and Ukrainians unchanged from ancient times.

Slavic samples from Moravia and Hungary (which is not very northern location) were also more like Lithuanians than like Ukrainians.

[PAGANE]

We Bulgarians and glory to God

[vbnetkhio]

You sure? I used Kra 001,011 and 009. They don't look Germanic at all to me.

Target: (Balto-)SlavicEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA011
Distance: 2.0951% / 0.02095059 | R3P

63.0 Belarusian
30.8 Lithuanian_VZ
6.2 Spanish_Pais_Vasco


Target: (Balto-)SlavicEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA009
Distance: 1.9297% / 0.01929686 | R3P

65.2 Lithuanian_RA
32.2 Slovakian
2.6 Eritrean


Target: (Balto-)SlavicEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA_KRA001
Distance: 2.0746% / 0.02074608 | R3P

45.8 Slovakian
42.4 Lithuanian_SZ
11.8 Cossack_Kuban

Put them all on a PCA, you'll see that as a group, they are like Belarusians with a slight Germanic admixture. The same goes for AV2.

[Varda]

Bad analogy. Just because early Slavs could have been like between Belarus and Litwa genetically does not mean they originate from such area.
Neither are modern Poles and Ukrainians unchanged from ancient times.

Slavic samples from Moravia and Hungary (which is not very northern location) were also more like Lithuanians than like Ukrainians.

Slavs who lived in Pannonia and modern Romania over 100 years before they settled in the Balkans (mostly under the Avar rule) probably got some local admixture and when they settled in the Balkans they were different from East Slavic tribes (ancestors of Russians and Belorussians).

[Archduke]

The answer is quite simple - Bulgarians (+Macedonians).

The Southern-most Slavic countries who border non-Slavs mostly. The only Slavic nation they border are the Serbs who are also not predominantly Slavic anyway. Historically we also had the least connection with Serbs out of all other neighbours.

[vbnetkhio]

And Vbn, even if we ignore Krakauer Berg, Moravian samples and Avar 2 are still Lithuanian and Belorussian like.

And among them there are also samples whose Slavic part is Ukrainian-like, like AV1, Czech early Slav and most of the Pohansko samples.

In Krakauer Berg that ancestry is lacking, Kra006 is the most Ukrainian-like, but still more Belarusian shifted than most of the forementioned samples.

[ooops]

Some people are so desperate to prove they have northern blood. The obsession with what percentage of 'Slavic genes' someone has is tied up with the obsession with how 'northern' someone is.
Russians prefer to be associated with Lithuanians who hate them rather than with dark Serbs. Croats want to be Central Europeans and Serbs want to prove how they are different from Albanians.
There is nothing special about being Slavic. yet everyone wants to be nordic looking...