Who, genetically, are the least Slavic of the Slavs?

[reboun]

Sikeliot, you are banned but if you still follow here, my answer is Macedonians for your original question.

[Jana]

Put them all on a PCA, you'll see that as a group, they are like Belarusians with a slight Germanic admixture. The same goes for AV2.

I'll look into it.

[Jana]

Croats want to be Central Europeans

Northern Croats are central Europeans. I don't see how a Balkanite like you should be bothered by that.

[Renekton]

Bulgarians/Macedonians

[Roy]

Macedonians imho.

[Dušan]

No, Sunghir6 looks like a light mongrel and unaltered ancient Slavic samples from 3 different countries plot differently. Facts.



Your modeling of yourself with ancient Greeks and similar type of stuff is laughable.

Sungir6 is good sample of ancient Slavic population. Deal with it.

Nothing laughable, I indeed have partly pre-Slavic component that is simmilar to ancient Greek, and it is higher than Illyrian Iron Age.

This is from Commonsense's calculator.

Target: Dušan
Distance: 1.4077% / 1.40772730
36.6 Slavic:Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a_
20.6 Paleo_Balkan:MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_
17.5 Slavic:Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_VK541
10.3 Slavic:Viking_Sweden_Gotland_VK454
8.4 Paleo_Balkan:I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp
6.6 Paleo_Balkan:I4332_Croatia_MBA_3516_ybp

[Jana]

Sungir6 is good sample of ancient Slavic population. Deal with it.

Nothing laughable, I indeed have partly pre-Slavic component that is simmilar to ancient Greek, and it is higher than Illyrian Iron Age.

This is from Commonsense's calculator.

Target: Dušan
Distance: 1.4077% / 1.40772730
36.6 Slavic:Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a_
20.6 Paleo_Balkan:MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_
17.5 Slavic:Ukraine_Lutsk_Medieval_VK541
10.3 Slavic:Viking_Sweden_Gotland_VK454
8.4 Paleo_Balkan:I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp
6.6 Paleo_Balkan:I4332_Croatia_MBA_3516_ybp

There was no Greek like population in northern Balkans (or Thracian in Herzegovina for that matter). Your model looks like an unrealistic overfit.
Pointless because these people were not present in the region at all.

[rothaer]

I don't have them, but this one is the most similar to me (on gedmatch) so you can try it.

Serbian:725,0.130897,0.135065,0.043369,0.01615,0.024312,0.005578,0.015041,0.010153,-0.000818,-0.005285,0.001624,0.001499,0.000892,0.019267,-0.021444,0.007955,0.010822,0.009755,0.001131,-0.003752,-0.016221,-0.00371,0.003204,-0.009399,-0.010059

The official average includes only 5 samples of which one is an outlier . Try out this average of 24 samples:

Macedonia,0.124778625,0.142343416666667,0.024622833333333,-0.004643125,0.026325375,-0.000697291666667,0.0031725,0.001355625,0.000698708333333,0.009590125,0.000264,0.001036541666667,-0.001201666666667,0.008458125,-0.015195041666667,-0.002662916666667,0.006399708333333,0.000258625,0.004718916666667,-0.004731375,-0.008635833333333,7.2125E-05,0.002932291666667,-5.12499999999992E-06,-0.001322166666667

The Bulgarian average also includes only 5 samples, so it could be misleading.

The Serbian that resembles you, as you say, gets high Slavic here:

Target: Serbian:725
Distance: 2.4620% / 0.02461956
57.6 (Balto-)Slavic
28.4 Balkan
12.6 Graeco-Roman
1.4 Turkic

The Macedonian average out of 24 is like this and thus lower than the Bulgarian one:

Target: Macedonia
Distance: 0.4391% / 0.00439142
36.8 (Balto-)Slavic
32.4 Graeco-Roman
30.8 Balkan

[rothaer]

Two Krakauer samples with the least Germanic and highest Balto Slavic drift are in fact KRA006 and KRA009. One is more Ukrainian-like and the other more Belarusian.

Some of those you used as Balto-Slavic are in fact Lithuanian-like+ a bit of Germanic.

To me it looks like the tribe which spread R-L260 was Baltic-like, and the other Slavic tribes were Ukrainian-like. The correlation seems pretty strong actually.

Most Slavs have ancestry from both groups, but for example Kashubians look Lithuanian+Scandinavian without any Ukraininian-like, se they are probably the purest descendants of the "R-l260 tribe".

Your theory with such a heterogeneity has to be thought of.

You use "Scandinavian" instead of "Germanic" regarding Kashubs, and the reason why you at all say something else than "Germanic" is that Kashubs plot different to an only Germanic admixture and this is true. It even looks like they would be somewhat Finnish shifted. This is hard to understand. But even harder to understand is that KRA003 plots Kashub-like on the G25 North Europe PCA. Do you have any explanation for that in mind?

[Dušan]

There was no Greek like population in northern Balkans (or Thracian in Herzegovina for that matter). Your model looks like an unrealistic overfit.
Pointless because these people were not present in the region at all.

And how do you know what look like genetics of pre-Slavic population of Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro, when it has not yet been explored in detailes?
Obviously it was different than in Croatia.