Who, genetically, are the least Slavic of the Slavs?

[princeton90]

Macedonians.

[Ion Basescul]

Maybe they couldnt have been like Greek islanders, but they could have been like Greek mainlanders.

Since early begining studying of my autosomal on Gedmatch K13, I got Greek in model with Ukrainians in mixed mode oracle.



It is not coincidence or mistake, but proxy of pre-Slavic population of Serbia.

I doubt they could have been like Greek islanders. It was likelier a population with more West Med than East Med. Greek islanders have significantly more East Med. Or maybe that's because the Slavic part came with West Med and next to no East Med, hence why West Med is inflated in Serbs.

[Dušan]

I doubt they could have been like Greek islanders. It was likelier a population with more West Med than East Med. Greek islanders have significantly more East Med. Or maybe that's because the Slavic part came with West Med and next to no East Med, hence why West Med is inflated in Serbs.

Well, I said like Greek mainlanders, as you can see.
It was Stearsolina who mentioned islanders first.

[Roy]

I doubt they could have been like Greek islanders. It was likelier a population with more West Med than East Med. Greek islanders have significantly more East Med. Or maybe that's because the Slavic part came with West Med and next to no East Med, hence why West Med is inflated in Serbs.

It is very likely to be correct what you suggest here. I myself score quite a lot of West Med (almost 12%) while scoring close to 0 East Med. It seemed to be a trend among ethnic Poles unless one has partial Jewish ancestry (the very low East Med admixture). And I plot well within the Polish cluster iirc. Poles are regarded as one of the more 'Slavic Slavs' so there's that. Albeit I've seen reportedly proto-Slavic samples who were Lithuanian-like so it is not so clear yet. I am of opinion that Early Slavic speakers were relatively heterogeneous actually.

[vbnetkhio]

regarding the pre-Slavic population, I think this is something that should work for most of the Balkans:

Balkan_LateRoman,21.09,5.77,23.87,14.30,28.13,5.31,0.34,0.21,0.14,0.11,0.24,0.39,0.10

it's 25% Croatia IA, 25% Bulgaria IA, 50% Imperial Roman.

[Leto]

regarding the pre-Slavic population, I think this is something that should work for most of the Balkans:

Balkan_LateRoman,21.09,5.77,23.87,14.30,28.13,5.31,0.34,0.21,0.14,0.11,0.24,0.39,0.10

it's 25% Croatia IA, 25% Bulgaria IA, 50% Imperial Roman.

Can you show me the Imperial Roman sample?

[vbnetkhio]

Can you show me the Imperial Roman sample?

I just used the average of all imperial Roman samples.

Imperial_Roman,12.79,3.50,21.15,18.80,34.25,6.65,0 .68,0.41,0.09,0.23,0.48,0.77,0.20

[Leto]

I just used the average of all imperial Roman samples.

Thanks. It comes up as very, very swarthy as expected. But it also goes to show that most Southern Italians have little to no Moorish blood in them.

Distance to: Imperial_Roman
2.85301595 Greek_Symi_Island
3.03581949 Greek_Dodecanese
4.02950369 Greek_Chios
5.26613710 Italian_Calabria
5.82471459 Greek_North_Aegean
6.69300381 Greek_Crete
7.54807260 Malta
7.67216397 Sephardic_Jewish
8.41893105 Turk_Cypriot
8.52778987 Italian_Campania

Target: Imperial_Roman
Distance: 1.0725% / 1.07254880 | ADC: 0.5x RC
58.9 Greek_Symi_Island
33.3 Greek_Chios
6.8 Syrian
1.0 Greek_Cappadocian

[vbnetkhio]

here's something that further confirms my theory:



A sample from an upcoming study about Celts. His dating and location are still unknown. He is R-M458 and plots like the "Balts" from Pohansko, but even more BS drifted.
Since the study is about Celts, he could be from somewhere Iron Age Eastern Poland (the most eastern reach of Celtic archaeological influence), but I'm just guessing.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

regarding the pre-Slavic population, I think this is something that should work for most of the Balkans:

Balkan_LateRoman,21.09,5.77,23.87,14.30,28.13,5.31,0.34,0.21,0.14,0.11,0.24,0.39,0.10

it's 25% Croatia IA, 25% Bulgaria IA, 50% Imperial Roman.

Distance to:	Balkan_LateRoman
3.98361645	Italian_Basilicata
4.12654819	Italian_Abruzzo
4.12710552	Italian_Molise
4.17538022	Italian_Apulia
4.29025640	Italian_Sicily

This seems correct, the simplest model I could do to model the pre-Slavic ancestry of Serbs.

Target: Serbian (27.32% Baltic)
Distance: 0.9723% / 0.97229454 | R2P
52.2 Polish_WarmiaMasuria (44.26% Baltic)
47.8 Italian_Abruzzo (8.67% Baltic)