Who, genetically, are the least Slavic of the Slavs?

[Jana]

I based it on the PCA from the Danube Limes study:

Doesn't this show locals in Roman age Serbia (who were between Croatian and Bulgarian IA) did not mix with MENA like Romans?

[Dušan]

Thracian sample already plot with more southern shifted central Italians, and Imperial Romans plot like borderline MENAs. Such a score like from your model would make Serb pre-Slavic part supper woggy deep south Italian like.
Not realistic at all especially considering prečani originate from Illyrian regions.

Neither should one get fit below 1 for ancient model, that's not realistic at all.

Yes, our pre-Slavic part is "supper woggy deep south Italian like".
It is realistic, and it is seen in this chart.



Origin of "prečani" is most likely from central Balkan, and we are not different from other Serbs, as it is proven for hundred times.

0% IA Croatia, thank dear God.

[Jana]

Yes, our pre-Slavic part is "supper woggy deep south Italian like".
It is realistic, and it is seen in this chart.



Origin of "prečani" is most likely from central Balkan, and we are not different from other Serbs, as it is proven for hundred times.

0% IA Croatia, thank dear God.

Even native Balkanites in Serbia proper were between Croatian and Bulgarian IA, and not entirely Thracian like and they were actual Moesians which is a subset of Thracians.
Your models show Serbs are not native in western Balkans at all, and than you should stop claiming that.

Truth is though that most western Serbs are native to east Herzegovina and surrounding regions however. It's just that your modeling is very illogical and unrealistic.

[Dušan]

Even native Balkanites in Serbia proper were between Croatian and Bulgarian IA, and not entirely Thracian like and they were actual Moesians which is a subset of Thracians.
Your models show Serbs are not native in western Balkans at all, and than you should stop claiming that.

Truth is though that most western Serbs are native to east Herzegovina and surrounding regions however. It's just that your modeling is very illogical and unrealistic.

And where is the source that east Herzegovina was similar IA_Croatia?
Again your bullshit.

vbnetkhio is agree with me, actualy this modeling is made from his own data.
You are ignorant and stupid.

[Jana]

And where is the source that east Herzegovina was similar IA_Croatia?
Again your bullshit.

Serbian samples come east of Herzegovina, and they were Thracians, idiot. In Herzegovina lived Illyrians. Thus Serbian IA should be closer to Bulgarian IA than B&H IA should be. It falls in-between (Cro and BG IA) even, while I expected it to be like Bulgarian IA completely. Here is results from Illyrian tribe of southern Italy (Apulia)

Distance to: Daunian_IA:ORD009_517BC_Quality=70.05%

0.03375273 French_Corsica
0.03402973 Italian_Veneto
0.03500182 Italian_Piedmont
0.03527467 Italian_Tuscany
0.03556619 Swiss_Italian
0.03639077 Italian_Bergamo
0.03884339 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.04026252 Italian_Umbria
0.04182701 Spanish_Baleares
0.04239967 Italian_Northeast
0.04291958 Spanish_Mallorca
0.04303520 Italian_Lombardy
0.04311957 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04322355 Spanish_Menorca
0.04353634 Italian_Marche
0.04476102 Spanish_Eivissa
0.04508314 Albanian
0.04542251 Greek_Thessaly
0.04542500 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.04567742 French_Provence
0.04579698 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.04627010 Italian_Lazio
0.04644970 Spanish_Girona
0.04647612 Italian_Liguria
0.04702300 Spanish_Murcia

Target: Daunian_IA:ORD009_517BC_Quality=70.05%
Distance: 2.6038% / 0.02603835 | R2P

55.0 Greek_Laconia
45.0 Spanish_Soria

vbnetkhio is agree with me, actualy this modeling is made from his own data.
You are ignorant and stupid.

Says the ratard who removes Bosniak averages because he plots closest to them lul

[Dušan]

Serbian samples come east of Herzegovina, and they were Thracians, idiot. In Herzegovina lived Illyrians. Thus Serbian IA should be closer to Bulgarian IA than B&H IA should be. It falls in-between (Cro and BG IA) even, while I expected it to be like Bulgarian IA completely. Here is results from Illyrian tribe of southern Italy (Apulia)

Illyrian were not homogenous group of people.

And here are the regional results:




With wierd exception of western Serbia and Montenegro, no IA Croatia.


This is from CroRats



Even Dalmatian CroRats gets more Bulgarian than Croatian IA, and you talking something about East Herzegovina.

[Jana]

Illyrian were not homogenous group of people.

So far no genetic evidence for that. Those from Croatia, Slovenia, Hungary and south Italy plot relatively similar. Even one from south Italy is nothing like modern south Italians.

Even Dalmatian CroRats gets more Bulgarian than Croatian IA, and you talking something about East Herzegovina.

You are dumb. I also get modeled with IA Bulgaria and not IA Croatia. I doesn't mean it is correct. Unlike you, I don't declare some model correct just because it fits my personal results.

[Dušan]

You are dumb. I also get modeled with IA Bulgaria and not IA Croatia. I doesn't mean it is correct. Unlike you, I don't declare some model correct just because it fits my personal results.

You are dumb, and a liar as well.

Target: Stearsolina(Croat)
Distance: 2.8821% / 2.88209825
67.4 Slavic
24.1 I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_ybp
5.1 Imperial_Roman
3.4 I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp

[Jana]

And north Croats have German like admixture that bleeds to Croatian IA in this Slav-Balkan model because western Euro reference is lacking.
I still repeat, what Reich paper states is realistic, with native Balkanites being between Croatian and Bulgarian IA which would probably make them central Italian like.

But Sicilian like or whatever? Only if MENA genocide of Balkanites and ethnic replacement happened. If you think you are heavily MENA, be my guest

[vbnetkhio]

Doesn't this show locals in Roman age Serbia (who were between Croatian and Bulgarian IA) did not mix with MENA like Romans?

Those Near Eastern samples in red are also from Viminacium. These samples are from a period when the 2 groups lived side by side and didn't mix with each other yet.