"35%-55% Ashkenazis are of European Descent"

[Portukalos]

Exactly my point. It's very different. One of my close friends is a Sephardic Jew of Iraqi and Iranian descent. She and a Jew for Georgia would not have much in common at all.

A Jew from Iran or Iraq cannot be Sephardi , it hadn't any connection to the Iberian peninsula. However a Georgian Jew is often classed as Mizrahi as a Jew from Iraq when the culture difference is like a Russian and an English.

[Portukalos]

My father was born in France. His parents were born in France. Two of their grandparents were born in France, one other was from Romania, and the last was from Austria. There have been gentiles in my family, as well as apostates and converts to and from Judaism. But no one in my family has been born outside of Europe.

And Catholicism came long after paganism in France.

So your farther doesn't know if he is fully Jew because of intra-religieus marriage within his French family? It's pretty common , Parisians of the after WW2 are often a mess of mixes.

[Mercury]

here is my view, in a nutshell-

I really couldn't be bothered if their eyes are bluer than sapphires or if their hair is blonder than a polar bear's ass.


Being European involves MUCH more than just genetics- it's a culture, mentality, and way of life that Jews lack.

Jews have been within the borders of Europe since the days of Pagan Rome. What more do they have to do in order to be considered European?

[PetiteParisienne]

A Jew from Iran or Iraq cannot be Sephardi , it hadn't any connection to the Iberian peninsula. However a Georgian Jew is often classed as Mizrahi as a Jew from Iraq when the culture difference is like a Russian and an English.

Well, you can tell her that then.

[PetiteParisienne]

So your farther doesn't know if he is fully Jew because of intra-religieus marriage within his French family? It's pretty common , Parisians of the after WW2 are often a mess of mixes.

This is where things start to become subjective. Some people consider secular Ashkenazis to be European, and some don't. Judaism is an ethno-religious group. Not a race.

[Beorn]

Jews have been within the borders of Europe since the days of Pagan Rome. What more do they have to do in order to be considered European?

Come back in another life as a European.

No one questions whether Englishmen are European. No one questions whether the French are European. No one questions whether the Germans are European, and so on..., but Everyone questions whether Jews are Europeans. Why? Because they aren't European. However much it may be argued, and however concise and critical the points may be, the resounding end result is the same: Jews aren't European.

[Portukalos]

Come back in another life as a European.

No one questions whether Englishmen are European. No one questions whether the French are European. No one questions whether the Germans are European, and so on..., but Everyone questions whether Jews are Europeans. Why? Because they aren't European. However much it may be argued, and however concise and critical the points may be, the resounding end result is the same: Jews aren't European.

There are European Jews. I agree with you Jews as a whole , as a diaspora ethnic group around the world are West Asian. Not every Jew is European.
But there are Jews who have lived in Europe or were Europeanized that they are basically European Jews as simple as that . An Ashkenazi child born in the deep woods of Lithuania is certainly not a Middle-Easterner , he is a Jew right but of the European kind.

[Beorn]

There are European Jews. I agree with you Jews as a whole , as a diaspora ethnic group around the world are West Asian. However there are Jews who have lived in Europe and/or were Europeanized that they are European Jews. An Ashkenazi child born in the deep woods of Lithuania is certainly not a Middle-Easterner , he is a Jew right but of the European kind.

How is the child European? Do you mean a European citizen?

[Albion]

Albion's list of controversial topics to avoid:

• Anything to do with Ireland
• South Africa and the Boer War
• American politics
• National Socialism

New entry: Jews

[Raikaswinþs]

I am surprised that British act like this. British culture touched almost every culture in the world to some point. In some time chinese culture will touch yours. Then you wont act like this. I do not care nor about yours nor chinese but if it has to be any id rather choose british.
China and whole asians are on rise.
So you see I am not for preservation of someones culture on some other indirect way.
As I have said on some thread before I know a lot people Croats or foreign who are so obsessed with Japanese culture that their wear kimono inside the house all the time. That is total opposite of what this forum stands for.
No one thinks about this.

I am zorry , me no underztand