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  • Alsatians

    6 37.50%
  • Austrians

    4 25.00%
  • East Germans

    3 18.75%
  • Eastern Scottish

    6 37.50%
  • English

    1 6.25%
  • Flemish

    1 6.25%
  • South Dutch

    1 6.25%
  • South Germans

    1 6.25%
  • Swiss Germans

    1 6.25%
  • Western Germans

    1 6.25%
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Thread: Rank the Germanic admixture

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    Inspired by the 'who are the least Slavic Slavs' thread, rank these traditional Germanic-speakers by their Germanic admixture from least to most, in your opinion. Or at least the top 5 least Germanic admixed. I chose groups that are clearly most mixed with non-Germanic people.

    Alsatians
    Austrians
    East Germans
    Eastern/Lowland Scottish (traditional Scots speakers)
    English
    Flemish
    South Dutch
    South Germans
    Swiss Germans
    Western Germans (Rhinelanders)

    You can include other minor Germanic groups in the ranking if you want: Afrikaners, Amish, PA Dutch, Danube/Banat Swabians, Volga Germans, Baltic Germans etc, but many of them I know little about.
    Last edited by J. Ketch; 12-21-2021 at 04:06 AM.

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    Hard to say.

    1. Volga Germans (they looked very russian to me)
    2. Zipser Germans
    3. Danube Swabians
    4. Transylvanian Saxons
    5. East Germans
    6. Austrians
    7. Swiss Germans
    8. English/South Germans
    9. Alsatians, West Germans, South Dutch
    10. Flemish

    Eastern/Lowland Scottish (traditional Scots speakers)
    They are not even germanic.

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    From most to least.

    West Germans.
    South Dutch/Flemish.
    South Germans.
    Swiss.
    East Germans from modern Germany.
    English.
    Austrians.
    Scottish.
    East Germans from east Prussia.

    Some individual English groups like people from the north-west and deep north east England are probably similar to lowland scots in terms of Germanic admix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    Hard to say.

    1. Volga Germans (they looked very russian to me)
    2. Zipser Germans
    3. Danube Swabians
    4. Transylvanian Saxons
    5. East Germans
    6. Austrians
    7. Swiss Germans
    8. English/South Germans
    9. Alsatians, West Germans, South Dutch
    10. Flemish



    They are not even germanic.
    How Volga germans look on avg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    They are not even germanic.
    The red and orange areas are where Scots, a Germanic dialect derived from Old English, has been the language since the Middle Ages. Red since the Early Middle Ages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borealis View Post
    How Volga germans look on avg
    1-2 years ago someone posted many volga german here, and they looked russian to me.

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    I made this model from K13 modern population averages yesterday, nowhere near conclusive but maybe a decent guide for the distances under 1.

    Germanic = Norwegian
    Gaulish = French
    Slavic = Belarussian
    Insular Celtic = Ulster Irish
    Balkanic = Vlach
    Baltic = Latvian
    Finnic = Finnish
    Roman = Italian
    Code:
    Target: Swiss_German
    Distance: 0.6263% / 0.62630357 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    39.5 Gaulish
    34.1 Germanic
    25.7 Balkanic
    0.7 Slavic
    
    Target: Austrian
    Distance: 1.5112% / 1.51123941 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    30.7 Germanic
    26.1 Slavic
    21.7 Gaulish
    21.5 Balkanic
    
    Target: English
    Distance: 0.6694% / 0.66943464 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    40.9 Germanic
    35.6 Insular_Celtic
    20.9 Gaulish
    2.6 Roman
    
    Target: English_Southeast
    Distance: 0.7220% / 0.72200387 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    44.6 Germanic
    30.2 Insular_Celtic
    19.7 Gaulish
    5.5 Roman
    
    Target: English_North
    Distance: 0.6889% / 0.68887677 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    43.1 Germanic
    36.8 Insular_Celtic
    20.1 Gaulish
    
    Target: English_Southwest
    Distance: 0.5590% / 0.55900465 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    38.4 Insular_Celtic
    35.4 Germanic
    26.2 Gaulish
    
    Target: English_Midlands
    Distance: 0.7630% / 0.76295251 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    41.5 Germanic
    34.0 Insular_Celtic
    21.9 Gaulish
    2.6 Roman
    
    Target: French_Alsace
    Distance: 0.4318% / 0.43181889 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    38.0 Gaulish
    36.6 Germanic
    23.0 Balkanic
    2.4 Slavic
    
    Target: Flemish
    Distance: 1.0315% / 1.03153520 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    44.2 Germanic
    33.9 Gaulish
    11.4 Insular_Celtic
    10.5 Balkanic
    
    Target: German_West
    Distance: 0.6209% / 0.62087689 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    42.8 Germanic
    22.7 Insular_Celtic
    21.1 Balkanic
    13.4 Gaulish
    
    Target: German_South
    Distance: 0.7247% / 0.72466656 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    41.9 Germanic
    35.8 Gaulish
    21.4 Balkanic
    0.9 Slavic
    
    Target: German_East
    Distance: 1.7735% / 1.77354054 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    45.8 Slavic
    29.3 Gaulish
    20.3 Germanic
    4.6 Balkanic
    
    Target: Dutch_South
    Distance: 0.8818% / 0.88183135 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    54.3 Germanic
    39.9 Gaulish
    4.8 Balkanic
    1.0 Slavic
    
    Target: Scottish_Northeast
    Distance: 0.4289% / 0.42885593 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    54.3 Insular_Celtic
    33.0 Germanic
    12.7 Gaulish
    
    Target: Scottish_East
    Distance: 0.4770% / 0.47699409 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    64.8 Insular_Celtic
    24.8 Germanic
    7.3 Gaulish
    3.1 Roman
    
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    Target: Icelandic
    Distance: 0.7233% / 0.72334122 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    71.5 Germanic
    27.3 Insular_Celtic
    1.2 Balkanic
    
    Target: Pennsylvania_Dutch
    Distance: 1.2828% / 1.28281729 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    50.1 Gaulish
    32.9 Germanic
    17.0 Balkanic
    
    Target: Afrikaner
    Distance: 2.2704% / 2.27039093 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    55.1 Germanic
    32.4 Gaulish
    10.0 Balkanic
    2.5 SSA
    
    Target: Swedish
    Distance: 1.9828% / 1.98275353 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    82.2 Germanic
    7.1 Finnic
    6.7 Slavic
    4.0 Gaulish
    
    Target: Sweden_Götaland
    Distance: 1.0973% / 1.09727988 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    94.7 Germanic
    4.0 Finnic
    1.3 Gaulish
    
    Target: Norway_South_Central
    Distance: 1.1253% / 1.12531456 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    97.7 Germanic
    2.3 Finnic
    
    Target: Denmark
    Distance: 0.8947% / 0.89474045 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    95.2 Germanic
    2.9 Gaulish
    1.9 Slavic
    
    Target: German_Northwest
    Distance: 1.1089% / 1.10885914 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    80.4 Germanic
    12.5 Gaulish
    4.9 Balkanic
    2.2 Slavic
    
    Target: German
    Distance: 0.6296% / 0.62956218 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    51.0 Germanic
    25.3 Gaulish
    12.6 Slavic
    11.1 Balkanic
    
    Target: Dutch_North
    Distance: 1.4412% / 1.44124984 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    81.7 Germanic
    8.5 Insular_Celtic
    7.1 Gaulish
    2.7 Roman
    
    Target: Dutch_Central
    Distance: 1.5821% / 1.58210411 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    72.9 Germanic
    12.7 Gaulish
    10.6 Insular_Celtic
    3.8 Roman
    
    Target: Dutch
    Distance: 1.2357% / 1.23570379 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    71.3 Germanic
    15.5 Gaulish
    8.9 Insular_Celtic
    4.3 Roman
    
    Target: Sweden_Svealand_West
    Distance: 1.4748% / 1.47483390 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    90.2 Germanic
    9.8 Finnic
    
    Target: Sweden_Svealand_East
    Distance: 1.1592% / 1.15918307 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    75.1 Germanic
    18.9 Finnic
    6.0 Baltic
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    Volga Germans are western-southwestern Germans by origin, unmixed Volga Germans don't have any east European. Same applies to unmixed Transylvanian Saxons and Danube Swabians, these people are all SW/W German colonists in the east, they have nothing to do with eastern Germans let alone with eastern Europeans in vast majority of cases.

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    All of these are very havily Celtic admixed groups, not sure who is least Germanic but some subgroups of eastern Germans are most Germanic by far out of these.

    Those from Mecklenburg can be modeled as 70% early Germanic and 30% proto Slavic (see wife and family of user Rothaer), and they artificially cluster with Swedes on K13/G25. North-eastern Germans will have lot of Germanic, because their German settler part was low German and did not have much Celtic unlike high German speakers/south Dutch etc.

    Least Germanic maybe south Tyroleans and Austrians from Carinthia, Styria, Burgenland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    The red and orange areas are where Scots, a Germanic dialect derived from Old English, has been the language since the Middle Ages. Red since the Early Middle Ages.
    What century is your map from? it's not accurate for early medieval or even medieval as it doesn't even have any Gaelic in Galloway.

    11th century Scotland


    15th century Scotland

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