Rank the Germanic admixture

[Jana]

^^^^ Yes, Hungary annexed Bacska region where lived large Hungarian population. But both Banat and Bascka were part of pre-Trianon Hungary. It's interesting how Banat was de facto under local German self rule.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banat_(1941%E2%80%931944)

The local German population agitated for the German government to establish a large German state in the Danube and Tisza valleys, expressing annoyance that the Bačka and Syrmia regions in the west were awarded to Hungary and Croatia respectively after the collapse of Yugoslavia.

The Banat Germans subsequently used every means at their disposal to strengthen their position compared to that of other nationalities, and to foster the development of German national feeling through the establishment of youth and adult organizations, and setting up its own school system.

That does not seem like assimilated population to me.

[Jana]

Half Transylvanian Saxon, half from Hessen (friend of Croatian user Ljubic who lives in Germany) No traces of EE admixture.

Hessen+Transylvania,45.34,23.43,14.84,4.26,6.44,2.35,0.39,0.31,0.96,0.77,0.6,0.3,0

Distance to: Hesse+Transylvania

1.98360782 Dutch_South
2.48927700 Flemish
2.49717841 Belgian
3.53345440 German_West
3.62723035 Afrikaner
4.60154322 French_Northwest
4.81070681 English_Southeast
5.14112828 French_Northeast
5.17198221 German
5.49953634 German_South
5.55874086 English_Midlands
5.65795016 English
5.68176029 Dutch
5.89353035 English_Southwest
6.05508051 Pennsylvania_Dutch
6.12103749 Cornish
6.36000000 Dutch_Central
6.51582689 German_Northwest
6.52882072 French_Alsace
6.60467259 English_North
7.15453003 Welsh
7.18508177 Swiss_German2
7.49580549 Swiss_German
7.51538422 North_German
7.89150176 Orcadian

Target: Hesse+Transylvania
Distance: 1.6423% / 1.64234933 | R2P

51.3 Pennsylvania_Dutch
48.7 Dutch_Central

[rothaer]

The danube swabian assimilation started in the 19. century, when the magyarization happened. Before that we can talk about "pure" danube swabians, but after that definitely not, and we are talking about modern populations. My mom came from a danube swabian village near Budapest, and he is half german half hungarian, i visit my grandmother too very often and local danube swabians are mixing with hungarians as well.
Who were the original danube swabians? Catholic germans from Austria, Bavaria, Baden-Württemberg, Rheinland etc who migrated to central parts of Hungary, it was just a generic name for these various germans, used by hungarians. Teutone as catholic german, would be danube swabian here because danube swabians are descedants of catholic germans who migrated here and Teutone would be in this category. And no, there is no time limit of this german migration, because its continuous until the present day:



After a while they will identify themselves as danube swabians (just like in the past) because everyone use this word for local germans. And nobody will ask that "when you family came to Hungary? Not the 18-19. century? Hmm sorry then you are not danube swabian", nobody will say that. My father was 100% bavarian, he was born in Germany and everyone called him danube swabian in Budapest, later he started to identify himself danube swabian. My majority german ancestry is bavarian, so i can't be danube swabian because of it or my father side is a new generation german migrant? Bullshit, i'm danube swabian as well, because this ethnicity is different from others, because we were always descedants of verious german migrants, and we were always mixed with many different german roots. An average danube swabian is 1/4 austrian, 1/4 bavarian, 1/4 other german and 1/4 hungarian. And nobody said that every german was danube swabian in the historical Hungary, but if someone migrated to the central parts of Hungary, they became danube swabian.
Someone mentioned folk songs, danube swabian dialect etc, do you guys know how many danube swabian can speak the local german accent? NOBODY, except some 70-80 years old people. I also know just some word, thats all. Everyone use Hochdeutsch. So these things are not conditions to being danube swabian. As i said 99% of danube swabians can't speak the local dialect, hard to belive that danube swabians from Germany or USA can speak it or they feel any togetherness with this land. And im not talking about these 80 years old grannies and grandfathers who live in these countries and remember for Hungary, but the rest of them has no any such identity, but they were assimilated into the local german community.
And i don't feel mysef as "tragic remnant", its insult. We are the ones who keep the german culture in Hungary, we eat the stifolder, drink the günzer wines, we are going on a trip in Pilisch, Balaton etc. These "real" (lol) danube swabians from Germany has no idea about these things, except some older. I think they are the tragic remnants, not us.

Thanks for much info. No insult intended. I agree that these "diaspora" Donau Swabians are a tragic remnant and they will not remain with that identity, as well as they did not have it, before they once went to Hungary.

But I think you will agree on that your background with the German "refresh" from Bavaria making you have 3/4 German ancestry in that generation is not representative. It's more like with your mother with 1/2 and then with 1/4 in the next generation for many and that's it.

On the search for "real" Danube Swabians I allow myself to introduce new competitors for that title: Just travel up the Danube till the proximity of it's spring. There you are in Swabia and are surrounded by real Danube Swabians!

Fun fact: A notable proportion of them came also from the Danube in what is today Hungary... As Quads or whatever other Suebic (it's the same word als Swabians) tribes. (Some of them went on and founded that Suebic kingdom at Braga (in NW Iberia)).

[Voskos]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...06#post7356506

[Blondie]

Thanks for much info. No insult intended. I agree that these "diaspora" Donau Swabians are a tragic remnant and they will not remain with that identity, as well as they did not have it, before they once went to Hungary.

But I think you will agree on that your background with the German "refresh" from Bavaria making you have 3/4 German ancestry in that generation is not representative. It's more like with your mother with 1/2 and then with 1/4 in the next generation for many and that's it.

On the search for "real" Danube Swabians I allow myself to introduce new competitors for that title: Just travel up the Danube till the proximity of it's spring. There you are in Swabia and are surrounded by real Danube Swabians!

Fun fact: A notable proportion of them came also from the Danube in what is today Hungary... As Quads or whatever other Suebic (it's the same word als Swabians) tribes. (Some of them went on and founded that Suebic kingdom at Braga (in NW Iberia)).

I didn't say my background is representative for danube swabians, but it's true that modern danube swabians are 3/4 german (with various german ancestry) + 1/4 hungarian. The amount of this various german ancestry is irrelevant because danube swabians have always been mixed germans, so if a danube swabian has 3/4 bavarian ancestry it doesn't make him more or less danube swabian if other is 3/4 austrian and they are not less danube swabian if someone is 1/3 bavarian + 1/3 austrian + 1/3 swabian, doesn't matter.
I don't want to go to Swabia, because they are not danube swabians and most danube swabians are not even swabian in the reality, its an unique german ethnicity. Only the name is similar, but swabians and danube swabians are two different german subgroup. I don't feel any closer commonship with them. Average danube swabian feel themselves closest to east germans from DDR because of common post soviet past.

[Faklon]

Richmonbread
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[rothaer]

(...) I don't want to go to Swabia, because they are not danube swabians and most danube swabians are not even swabian in the reality, its an unique german ethnicity. Only the name is similar, but (...)

My statement

"On the search for "real" Danube Swabians I allow myself to introduce new competitors for that title: Just travel up the Danube till the proximity of it's spring. There you are in Swabia and are surrounded by real Danube Swabians! "

was a joke, Blondie.

[Peterski]

Yeah, but I consider this tool of 23andMe rather poor. I can see this by my stunning wrong assignments within Germany (showing Bavaria as #1 etc.).

I get this for EE:



Former German regions are always excluded and in light colours in Poland as I could experience, (...)

^^^
Apparently not always, because I score Warmian-Masurian Voivodeship (which was part of East Prussia before WW2).

As for my French&German part - I also have Bavaria as #1.