White Serb/Sorb gedmatch result!

**Mingle** · 12-04-2019, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by Insuperable

I think we don't know where he passed. Based on other sources too it indicates the land in question is modern Montenegro. Whatever the case is it seems that Greeks didn't really differentiated Croats from Serbs and vice versa.

Don't really give a shit what she wrote. Fact is that the thing Serbs like to quote is a supplement. Fact is that in the main charter Ninoslav addresses his people as Bošnjani or something like that. Fact is that he promises to Dubrovnik protection from the Raška Republic (or Serbia proper at the time). All this is not a smoking gun just as that supplement is not a smoking gun for Serbian claims. Balkan history will always remain clouded.

What is your opinion on ph2ter's post regarding multiple sources (Einhard, DAI, Kinnamos) connecting Bosnia (east of the Vrbas & north of the Neretva) to Serbia or Serbs? It seems to be the strongest argument in favor of them being most likely Serbs:

Originally Posted by ph2ter

I must admit that before 13th century Bosnia east of Vrbas and north of Neretva rivers was always in some way part of Serbia or under control of Serbia.
Every known historical document testifies this, not only Matej Ninoslav charters.
Einhard from 9th century, DAI from 10th century and Kinnamos from 12th century connect Bosnia with Serbia or Serbs.
When Medieval Bosnia included the lands west of Vrbas (Donji Kraji - Hrvoje Hrvatinić lands), it could no longer use Serbian name in political documents,
because Hrvatinić noble family was of Croatian origin and was very important in Bosnia.
After that, from 14th century Bosnian Medieval political elite started to use Bosniak identification exclusively.

**Jana** · 12-04-2019, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by Mingle

What is your opinion on ph2ter's post regarding multiple sources (Einhard, DAI, Kinnamos) connecting Bosnia (east of the Vrbas & north of the Neretva) to Serbia or Serbs? It seems to be the strongest argument in favor of them being most likely Serbs:

Where is mentioned border on Vrbas? Do you have any historical document?
Original Bosnia in darkest pink

**Mingle** · 12-09-2019, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by Feiichy

Where is mentioned border on Vrbas? Do you have any historical document?
Original Bosnia in darkest pink

I didn't make the claim the Vrbas River was the border between Serbs and Croats. But I searched for references regarding the Vrbas River being a borderland and I came across a text claiming Constantine/DAI considering territory controlled by Croat people to end at the upper Vrbas River and bordering on Bosnia:

When searching for one of the sources that ph2ter mentioned (Kinnamos), I came across this text as well:

**Kaspias** · 03-06-2020, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

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Can modern Sorbs be used as a proxy for the Slavic admixture of Serbs?

**vbnetkhio** · 03-07-2020, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Kaspias

Can modern Sorbs be used as a proxy for the Slavic admixture of Serbs?

that Sorb in G25 fits well , yes. but he fits as a proto-Slavic proxy in general, not just for Serbs.

**sean** · 12-22-2021, 08:31 AM

The remnant of the Sorbs is still there near the border of Germany, Poland and the Czech Republic. That was the westernmost that the West Slavs ever got.

Limes Sorabicus (9th-11th century) was a borderland between the Frankish Empire and the Slavic tribes. It ran way to the west of the current remnants of the Lusatian Serbs, deep into today's German lands. The Chronicle of Fredegar mentions Sorbs pretty much where they live now, which was on the border of Frankland back then.

Over time, the Germans pushed east and assimilated much land, notably that of the Sorbs, Veleti, Obodrites, Sliesians, and Pomeranians. Now the Sorbs make up less than ten percent of the population even in the Sorbian regions of Brandenburg and Saxony.

**Peterski** · 01-21-2022, 06:51 AM

Did Rothaer see this thead in which a German from Thuringia got labelled as a Sorb ???

**rothaer** · 01-21-2022, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Piotraschke

Did Rothaer see this thead in which a German from Thuringia got labelled as a Sorb ???

Yes, very factual. It’s Wolfgang Thieme, with whom I do correspond. I better don’t tell him how he is edited by „experts“ here.

Maybe you could have won the war already in 1939 if you had declared every second Wehrmacht soldier being a non-German and triggered the various groups to fight each other instead. MyHeritage already found out for Lothar Matthäus (in an advertisement spot) that he has a lot of „England“ and they asked if he maybe in fact played for the wrong team.