Large-Scale Migration into Southern Britain During the Middle to Late Bronze Age

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As expected Iron Age Central Europeans fall closest to modern-day French and Southwestern Europeans, with some more northern outliers. The Migration Period brutally changed the genetic landscape.

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[Jana]

As expected Iron Age Central Europeans fall closest to modern-day French and Southwestern Europeans, with some more northern outliers. The Migration Period brutally changed the genetic landscape.

Czeck the Czech IA, many are English and even Swedish like....wtf?? Some are east German/German/Austrian like, some French like and some Iberian like???
Croatian IA are all homogenously North Italian/Iberian like.

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Czeck the Czech IA, many are English and even Swedish like....wtf?? Some are east German/German/Austrian like, some French like and some Iberian like???

Wtf? Croatian IA are all homogenously Iberian like except one who is Sardinian like (probably mislabeled neolithic sample?)

There are indeed some very weird samples there, I don't doubt many of them are mislabelled or misdated.

[Jana]

There are indeed some very weird samples there, I don't doubt many of them are mislabelled or misdated.

Agree! So would you say Celtic mystery is solved? IA La Tene samples from Austria plot like this:

Distance to: Austria_IA_LaTene:I11708___Date:-350___Coverage_70.39%
0.03191462 Swiss_French
0.03294301 Italian_Northeast
0.03296843 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03327966 French_Auvergne
0.03454939 Spanish_Girona
0.03456996 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.03500952 French_Provence
0.03529804 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.03590113 Spanish_Penedes
0.03598988 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03611510 Italian_Veneto
0.03613529 Spanish_Mallorca
0.03686753 Spanish_Castello
0.03701696 Spanish_Lleida
0.03727922 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03728109 Spanish_Baleares
0.03822808 French_Occitanie
0.03909191 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03964000 Spanish_Cataluna
0.03981441 Spanish_Pirineu
0.04009637 Italian_Bergamo
0.04114396 Swiss_German
0.04222329 Spanish_Menorca
0.04233048 Spanish_Eivissa
0.04254982 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre

Distance to: Austria_IA_LaTene:I11701___Date:-350___Coverage_74.10%
0.02369721 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02912770 Italian_Veneto
0.03004901 Italian_Northeast
0.03019788 Italian_Liguria
0.03031997 Italian_Lombardy
0.03032882 Italian_Bergamo
0.03175908 Spanish_Menorca
0.03294689 French_Provence
0.03302128 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03302553 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.03351770 Spanish_Mallorca
0.03494622 Spanish_Eivissa
0.03531532 Spanish_Baleares
0.03584613 French_Auvergne
0.03662870 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03698842 Italian_Piedmont
0.03712341 Spanish_Girona
0.03714242 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.03714726 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03719490 Spanish_Lleida
0.03735058 Spanish_Penedes
0.03772944 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.03792610 Swiss_French
0.03832637 French_Occitanie
0.03840742 Spanish_Valencia

Distance to: Austria_IA_LaTene:I11699___Date:-350___Coverage_73.92%
0.02405459 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02966897 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.03106666 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.03107421 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.03122054 French_Auvergne
0.03166566 Spanish_Lleida
0.03180305 French_Occitanie
0.03199134 Spanish_Valencia
0.03213529 Spanish_Pirineu
0.03249493 Spanish_Aragon
0.03280772 Spanish_Eivissa
0.03328106 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.03336659 Spanish_Menorca
0.03354212 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03393070 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.03398762 Spanish_Girona
0.03419631 Spanish_Cataluna
0.03459863 Spanish_Mallorca
0.03512233 Spanish_Cantabria
0.03528550 French_South
0.03553375 Spanish_Penedes
0.03581557 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03590407 Basque_French
0.03638224 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.03642529 Spanish_Navarra

Or perhaps Celts were more of a culture than homogenous genetics.

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It is obviously mislabeled medieval sample from somewhere else.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WbT...xShVwB3jW/view

Yes, I think you're right. They are preeliminary coordinates anyway, it may be that the new ones will be fixed.

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Agree! So would you say Celtic mystery is solved? IA La Tene samples from Austria plot like this:

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Or perhaps Celts were more of a culture than homogenous genetics.

Yes, the Proto-Celts probably looked like this. There are some dissenters who think Celtic was spoken by Bell Beakers (crazy theory IMO), or that it was spoken further north in northern France, but Proto-Celtic in MLBA western-central Europe around Austria is still the strongest theory. The spread of Celtic languages involved massive population replacements (~50% in Southern Britain according to this new paper is pretty dramatic, and Britain was only a periphery of the Celtic expansion), so there is a genetic basis linking all historical Celtic speakers although Proto-Celtic ancestry was already diluted by mixing with Bronze Age French when Celts first reached Britain.

[Jana]

J2b2 L283 now confirmed as major Illyrian haplogroup:

I26726, 1461 BCE, Croatia_MBA, Gudnja cave, J-L283>>Z615>Z597>Z638>Z1297 (B440-, Y37818-, Y1421-)
I24345, ~950 BCE, Croatia_MBA_LBA_EIA, Velim-Kosa, J-L283>?
I23911, 844 BCE, Croatia_EIA, Smiljan, J-L283>>Z615>Z597>Z38240>PH1602>Y86930
I23995, 743 BCE, Croatia_EIA, Smiljan, J-L283>>Z615>Z597>Z38240>PH1602>Y86930
I24638, 681 BCE, Croatia_EIA, Smiljan, J-L283>>Z615>Z597>Z38240>PH1602>Y86930
I24639, 681 BCE, Croatia_EIA, Smiljan, J-L283>>Z615>Z597>Z38240>PH1602>Y86930
I26742, 700 BCE, Croatia_EIA, Jazinka Cave, J-L283>>Z615>Z597>Z38240>Z38241 (FT108123-, Y130843-, Y91418-, PH502-, Y86930-)
I24882, 662 BCE, Croatia_EIA, Mala Metaljka, J-L283>>Z615>Z597>Z38240>PH1602>Y86930
I4998, 300 BCE, Hungary_IA_LaTene, Vas county, J-L283>>Z615>Z597>Y15058
I5691, 666 BCE, Slovenia_EIA, Novo mesto, Kapiteljska njive, J-L283>>Z615>Z597 (Z2507-, FT29034-, FGC64029-)
I22940, 475 BCE, Slovenia_EIA, Zagorje ob Savi, J-L283>>Z615>Z597>Z2507

Comment from Eupedia forum:

I26726, MBA Croatia, is the oldest J-Z638+ sample yet. It comes from the very south of Croatia, near the Adriatic coast. The vast majority of Albanian J-L283 stems from this particular branch, and I think this is good news for Albanians.

[CommonSense]

There are indeed some very weird samples there, I don't doubt many of them are mislabelled or misdated.

This alleged Bronze Age sample from Croatia significantly differs from all the others in that set and plots with modern-day Serbs. Not only that, but the Y-DNA of that male is I-Y3120!

Distance to:	Celtic_paper:I18719
0.02133739	Montenegrin
0.02395463	Serbian
0.02700447	Romanian
0.02747612	Moldovan
0.02904085	Bosnian
0.03073672	Macedonian
0.03320954	Bulgarian
0.03372121	Croatian
0.03538625	Italian_Northeast
0.03607758	Slovenian
0.03774823	Hungarian
0.03829851	Austrian
0.04208271	Gagauz
0.04252598	French_Alsace
0.04601104	Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.04644862	Italian_Veneto
0.04671255	Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.04676741	Swiss_German
0.04709642	French_Provence
0.04827165	French_Nord
0.04927128	Swiss_French
0.04934393	French_Auvergne
0.04946602	Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04977152	German
0.05014193	French_Seine-Maritime

[Jana]

This alleged Bronze Age sample from Croatia significantly differs from all the others in that set and plots with modern-day Serbs. Not only that, but the Y-DNA of that male is I-Y3120!
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Distance to: Celtic_paper:I18719
0.02133739 Montenegrin
0.02395463 Serbian
0.02700447 Romanian
0.02747612 Moldovan
0.02904085 Bosnian
0.03073672 Macedonian
0.03320954 Bulgarian
0.03372121 Croatian
0.03538625 Italian_Northeast
0.03607758 Slovenian
0.03774823 Hungarian
0.03829851 Austrian
0.04208271 Gagauz
0.04252598 French_Alsace
0.04601104 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.04644862 Italian_Veneto
0.04671255 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.04676741 Swiss_German
0.04709642 French_Provence
0.04827165 French_Nord
0.04927128 Swiss_French
0.04934393 French_Auvergne
0.04946602 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04977152 German
0.05014193 French_Seine-Maritime

Yeah, it's obviously medieval, just no idea from where. There are probably lot of mislabeled Czech IA samples too, some look very Germanic.