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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Volga German mother

    North_Atlantic 44.96 Pct
    Baltic 24.35 Pct
    West_Med 14.09 Pct
    West_Asian 4.91 Pct
    East_Med 9.38 Pct
    Red_Sea -
    South_Asian -
    East_Asian -
    Siberian -
    Amerindian 1.31 Pct
    Oceanian 0.32 Pct
    Northeast_African 0.25 Pct
    Sub-Saharan 0.41 Pct

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 West_German 3.39
    2 South_Dutch 3.89
    3 Southeast_English 6.29
    4 North_German 6.99
    5 Danish 7.96
    6 North_Dutch 8.03
    7 Orcadian 8.31
    8 French 8.66
    9 Southwest_English 8.82
    10 Austrian 8.9
    11 Irish 9.57
    12 West_Scottish 9.98
    13 Norwegian 10.08
    14 East_German 10.17
    15 Swedish 10.66
    16 Hungarian 13.06
    17 North_Swedish 14.58
    18 Spanish_Cataluna 16
    19 Portuguese 17.28
    20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.3

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 79.7% Southeast_English + 20.3% Bulgarian @ 2.2
    2 74.5% Southeast_English + 25.5% Serbian @ 2.23
    3 77.6% Southeast_English + 22.4% Romanian @ 2.26
    4 72.7% Norwegian + 27.3% Tuscan @ 2.68
    5 68.5% Norwegian + 31.5% North_Italian @ 2.79
    6 83.7% West_German + 16.3% Norwegian @ 2.82
    7 75.3% West_German + 24.7% Southeast_English @ 2.84
    8 83.6% Southeast_English + 16.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.87
    9 85.1% West_German + 14.9% Swedish @ 2.87
    10 80.5% West_German + 19.5% Danish @ 2.87
    11 80.8% West_German + 19.2% North_Dutch @ 2.89
    12 89.6% West_German + 10.4% North_Swedish @ 2.95
    13 83% West_German + 17% Orcadian @ 2.99
    14 77.8% Danish + 22.2% Tuscan @ 3.01
    15 74.1% Danish + 25.9% North_Italian @ 3.02
    16 80.3% West_German + 19.7% North_German @ 3.02
    17 69.7% Southeast_English + 30.3% Hungarian @ 3.03
    18 76.9% Norwegian + 23.1% West_Sicilian @ 3.04
    19 77.7% North_Dutch + 22.3% Tuscan @ 3.08
    20 93.6% West_German + 6.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.08

    Russian father

    North_Atlantic 25.05 Pct
    Baltic 47.92 Pct
    West_Med 10.39 Pct
    West_Asian 6.42 Pct
    East_Med 3.24 Pct
    Red_Sea -
    South_Asian 1.15 Pct
    East_Asian 0.68 Pct
    Siberian 3.38 Pct
    Amerindian 0.73 Pct
    Oceanian 1.03 Pct
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan -

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Southwest_Russian 3.79
    2 Russian_Smolensk 4.54
    3 Ukrainian_Belgorod 4.62
    4 Estonian_Polish 4.64
    5 Kargopol_Russian 5.05
    6 Ukrainian 5.67
    7 Belorussian 6.07
    8 Polish 6.36
    9 Ukrainian_Lviv 6.76
    10 Erzya 7.02
    11 Lithuanian 7.94
    12 South_Polish 8.1
    13 Estonian 9.01
    14 East_Finnish 10.38
    15 Finnish 10.98
    16 Croatian 13.02
    17 Southwest_Finnish 13.53
    18 Moldavian 15.24
    19 Hungarian 17.22
    20 East_German 18.52

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 56.1% Ukrainian + 43.9% Erzya @ 2.19
    2 52.9% Polish + 47.1% Erzya @ 2.49
    3 53.9% Kargopol_Russian + 46.1% Ukrainian @ 2.66
    4 62.4% Southwest_Russian + 37.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.83
    5 54.1% Erzya + 45.9% South_Polish @ 2.83
    6 51.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 48.8% Erzya @ 2.83
    7 53.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.5% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.94
    8 59.9% Kargopol_Russian + 40.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.02
    9 54.4% Russian_Smolensk + 45.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.04
    10 65.3% Russian_Smolensk + 34.7% Erzya @ 3.05
    11 86.6% Russian_Smolensk + 13.4% Chuvash @ 3.13
    12 95.3% Russian_Smolensk + 4.7% Selkup @ 3.18
    13 89.6% Russian_Smolensk + 10.4% Mari @ 3.2
    14 95.3% Russian_Smolensk + 4.7% Ket @ 3.2
    15 76.2% Southwest_Russian + 23.8% Erzya @ 3.25
    16 58.6% Kargopol_Russian + 41.4% Polish @ 3.25
    17 85.2% Estonian_Polish + 14.8% Tatar @ 3.26
    18 94.8% Russian_Smolensk + 5.2% Hakas @ 3.27
    19 65.6% Estonian_Polish + 34.4% Erzya @ 3.31
    20 94.6% Russian_Smolensk + 5.4% Shors @ 3.31
    Distance to: Maria
    3.39604181 German_North_Hesse
    3.74347432 Flemish
    3.80314344 Belgian
    4.59843452 Dutch_South
    4.64511571 German_North_Rhine
    4.75624852 German_Upper_Swabia
    4.80092699 German_Lower_Franconia
    4.82224014 Afrikaner
    4.89411892 French_Normandy
    5.00554692 German
    5.66220805 German_Rhineland-Palatinate
    5.67170168 German_South_Hesse
    5.70919434 French_Northeast
    5.83246946 Pennsylvania_Dutch
    5.87809493 German_Bavaria_proper
    5.92177338 French_Alsace
    5.93584029 German_North_Baden
    6.57505894 English_Southeast
    6.66271716 Austrian_Upper_Austria
    6.79769814 German_Central_Hesse

    Target: Maria
    Distance: 1.7937% / 1.79372394 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    55.8 German_North_Hesse
    21.2 German_Upper_Swabia
    20.0 Danish
    3.0 German_Saxony-Anhalt_south

    Target: Maria
    Distance: 2.0204% / 2.02036600 | R2P
    80.7 German_North_Hesse
    19.3 Norwegian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watersater79 View Post
    Sure. Don't wanna be really pedantic though, but Hungary does not have much Indo-European influence, and they score quite highly with 'Baltic' admixture, if I am not mistaken.
    Finns score ultra high with Baltic admix as well....
    I am only taking into account the Finno-Ugric language family, and I do know that language and its development sometimes corresponds differently to the genotype of the population in question.
    The Finno-Ugric component is minimal in Hungarian. I'm Russian/Belorussian (Indo-European) and it's far higher in me than in nearly every Hungarian out there. But Finno-Ugric is a largely linguistic term as they do not even plot close to each other. For example the Finns in Finland are not very similar to the ethnic groups around the Ural mountains, Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watersater79 View Post
    I see that 'Baltic' admix is extremely high amongst North Germans.
    It is high among North-Eastern Germans, not so much among North-Western.

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    Hungarians have lots of Indo-European DNA, they just speak an Uralic language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watersater79 View Post
    Sure. Don't wanna be really pedantic though, but Hungary does not have much Indo-European influence, and they score quite highly with 'Baltic' admixture, if I am not mistaken.
    Finns score ultra high with Baltic admix as well....
    I am only taking into account the Finno-Ugric language family, and I do know that language and its development sometimes corresponds differently to the genotype of the population in question.
    Ugh, OK, Steppe influence.

    The next time somebody in the genetics sub-forum says Hungary is largely Slavic, I will inform them that they are wrong. They are in fact Finno-Ugric

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    Baltic component on gedmatch (as any other) is nothing scientific, just an artificaly made components peaking in Balts. It isn't Slavic, IE nor Ugro-Finnic, just northeastern European.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    Baltic component on gedmatch (as any other) is nothing scientific, just an artificaly made components peaking in Balts. It isn't Slavic, IE nor Ugro-Finnic, just northeastern European.
    Yes. I should have said it correlates with this ancestry, not comes from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watersater79 View Post
    Sure. Don't wanna be really pedantic though, but Hungary does not have much Indo-European influence, and they score quite highly with 'Baltic' admixture, if I am not mistaken.
    Finns score ultra high with Baltic admix as well....
    I am only taking into account the Finno-Ugric language family, and I do know that language and its development sometimes corresponds differently to the genotype of the population in question.
    Baltic component on Eurogenes K13 is (among other things) also related to ANE ancestry, not specifically to Indo-European or Finno-Ugric groups.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_North_Eurasian

    In the tables below, percentage of ANE in modern populations:

    Table1
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    Table2
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    Closest pops

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    Fun fact: apparently ANEs or peoples related to them would have been the first to carry blond hair
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    Here Eurogenes K13 results of Medieval samples from Lübeck:

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...89004221003874

    Code:
    hgh-1429.txt,50,26.85,10.49,7.16,0,1.23,2.12,0,0,0.42,0,1.73,0
    hgh-1510.txt,54.59,22.79,12.43,0,1.65,0.87,4.72,2.52,0,0,0,0.43,0
    hgh-1579.txt,49.28,19.21,13.31,8.18,3.00,0.97,2.85,0,1.10,1.22,0,0.87,0
    hgh-1599.txt,49.75,34.99,4.53,3.84,2.05,0,0,0,0,0,3.22,1.61,0
    hgh-1600.txt,48.70,26.60,11.18,8.06,0.36,1.57,0.65,0,0.34,1.34,0.69,0.50,0
    hgh-1607.txt,45.79,28.27,11.88,7.03,1.83,1.46,0.28,0,0.59,1.70,0.80,0.37,0
    This one has Slavic-looking results (most likely a Polabian Slav):

    Code:
    hgh-1558.txt,36.25,51.15,5.47,0,1.12,1.37,0,3.18,0,0.54,0,0.12,0.81
    Last edited by Peterski; 01-04-2022 at 03:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf View Post
    Baltic component on Eurogenes K13 is (among other things) also related to ANE ancestry, not specifically to Indo-European or Finno-Ugric groups.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_North_Eurasian

    In the tables below, percentage of ANE in modern populations:
    How come it is so abysmally low in Georgia? Even you would score like a goddamn Hyperborean compared to them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    How come it is so abysmally low in Georgia? Even you would score like a goddamn Hyperborean compared to them!
    In the table it may look like they have less because I made models including CHG as a component, but that is not the case at all, in fact, CHG is related to ANE. I think distance does a better job of telling which of the two is more related to ANE.

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    0.36847175	Georgian_Khevs
    0.36907417	Georgian_Tush
    0.38858010	Georgian_Svan
    0.39124975	Georgian_Kart
    0.39500619	Italian_Molise
    0.39587957	Georgian_Kakh
    0.39679046	Italian_Abruzzo
    0.39878091	Sicilian_West
    0.39992026	Georgian_Megr
    0.40109671	Maltese
    0.40117618	Italian_Basilicata
    0.40210575	Italian_Apulia
    0.40388285	Sicilian_East
    0.40422662	Georgian_Imer
    0.40425048	Georgian_Ajar
    0.40445560	Italian_Campania
    0.40596152	Italian_Calabria
    0.41088986	Georgian_Laz

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