German GEDmatch results

[Jana]

Sachsen-Anhalt kit from south-western part of Sachsen-Anhalt, which has no or very few Slavic toponyms (but Slavic admixture is there anyway):

Population
North_Atlantic 41.2 Pct
Baltic 32.61 Pct
West_Med 8.74 Pct
West_Asian 5.02 Pct
East_Med 9.88 Pct
Red_Sea 0.29 Pct
South_Asian 1.26 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.64 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.35 Pct

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And here is that Thuringian's K13 (from eastern Thuringia):

Population
North_Atlantic 33.73 Pct
Baltic 37.38 Pct
West_Med 8.85 Pct
West_Asian 8.81 Pct
East_Med 8.33 Pct
Red_Sea 0.92 Pct
South_Asian 0.17 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.51 Pct
Amerindian 0.11 Pct
Oceanian 1.17 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -



The Iberian component also existed e.g. in Neolithic British samples.

And in general in Neolithic Farmer populations throughout Europe.

I don't trust you, and can't verify where they are from exactly based on your telltales. Saxony Anhalt example you posted is very similar to what we have from there, from Thuringia we don't have any so I can't comment. But based on Saxony average what you post isn't overly representative.

[mariusz99]

I meant "nothing" in the sense that is very hard to tell to which EHG/WHG/steppe ratio they correspond, especially after the calculator effect.
The Iberian component still peaks in Iberians, but people without Iberian ancestry can get it too, either because of the calculator effect, or as a proxy because of a lack of components.

I have very high Iberian component ( especially for Pole), this Iberian component shows my ancestry (or only similarity) in 3 chromosomes to Hungary, and in 1 chromosome to France/West Germany.

[Jana]

I know little time passed since initial averages release, but we got into possession of very, very large batch of samples with checked and confirmed ancestry from different regions. Updates are already basically ready, but we are struggling with Austria for which we got quite a few kits as well. So much for Leto attacking use of Noricum as stand alone Carinthian average btw, we got other Carinthians and that region (plus Styria) is looking pretty uniform.

So his sample was already decent. Ofc with more Carinthians it will be much better even, we welcome addition of every verified extra kit.
Problem is with upper and lower Austria, samples from there are unexpectedly genetically diverse and we aren't sure how to group them, so waiting for potential few more Austrian kits to get a clearer picture of the area.

That's the reason why this massive update isn't out yet. But trying it to be as fast as possible.

[Leto]

IMO German names are preferable to English as they sound more authentic.

[Leto]

I know little time passed since initial averages release, but we got into possession of very, very large batch of samples with checked and confirmed ancestry from different regions. Updates are already basically ready, but we are struggling with Austria for which we got quite a few kits as well. So much for Leto attacking use of Noricum as stand alone Carinthian average btw, we got other Carinthians and that region (plus Sytria) is looking pretty uniform.

So his sample was already decent. Ofc with more Carinthians it will be much better even, we welcome addition of every verified extra kit.
Problem is with upper and lower Austria, samples from there are unexpectedly genetically diverse and we aren't sure how to group them, so waiting for potential few more Austrian kits to get a clearer picture of the area.

That's the reason why this massive update isn't out yet. But trying it to be as fast as possible.

Just do a more generalized set of populations and you can have as many villages and towns as you want.

[Jana]

Just do a more generalized set of populations and you can have as many villages and towns as you want.

There are no villages and towns used, just historic and genetic regions. But we will make new general Austrian and German average.
And I am pretty sure you couldn't do the same for Russia even if you wanted, when most of your countrymen have no gedcom and no idea of their ancestry beside grandparents level.

Just because others are unable to do fine scale differences des not mean we need to lower our standards to adjust to that.

[Jana]

I understand to someone from Russia this approach looks alien when Russia is such a vast landmass and pretty centralized at that, with no real deep rootness and regional identity or tradition like most of Europe.
Germany was made of hundreds of mini states for centuries, and regional roots are very strong. Distrupted with WW2 in the east but in Russia already tens of millions were moved during communist era and pretty sure millions of Russians don't really know their deep regional ancestry or feel any kind of attachement towards that. Even the wild fields were colonised just centuries ago, and I doubt there were detailed records kept about where these settlers are coming from like in case of German areas.

Also, Russians are shockingly genetically homogenous considering how gigantic their country is and this means it was rapid expansion of settlers (who didn't even need to be numerous) into very lowly populated areas.
In case of Germany, it is not the case at all, hence bigger and more pronounced and refined genetic differences on much smaller areas. It was more like a gradual and more natural assimilation and intermixing with already present and densely populated older populations (especially in the south)

[Leto]

You don't need to tell me or the Russians we are somehow rootless or whatever. First of all, I'm more conservative and religious than most people here (who are probably various shades of liberal). Secondly, this isn't something specifically anti-German. I know the German language (not perfectly) and have a deep appreciation for German culture and history. Hell, I am even the main guy who has been posting results on this thread.

You are a tribal Croat and of course we are not like the South Slavs who obsess about some Y DNA subclades or whatever. You are not German and attacking the wrong person.

[Leto]

There are no villages and towns used, just historic and genetic regions. But we will make new general Austrian and German average.
And I am pretty sure you couldn't do the same for Russia even if you wanted, when most of your countrymen have no gedcom and no idea of their ancestry beside grandparents level.

Just because others are unable to do fine scale differences des not mean we need to lower our standards to adjust to that.

There are plenty of Russian Gedcoms on Gedmatch, like literally hundreds. Many Russians now take interest in genealogy because of WW2 memorial projects (Great Patriotic War in Russian). This is where I dissent from the majority but at least it prompts so many people to go deep into their family history. Russia even has its own DNA testing company called Genotek (the raw data sucks though).

Germans are the ones who deny their roots for fear of being called Nazi or racist. The most self-hating country in the world where ethnic pride is literally a moral offense.

[Jana]

You don't need to tell me or the Russians we are somehow rootless or whatever.

You are very centralistic minded and even feel threathened when some people prefer clear, fine scale averages. And I feel you do that because you can't do the same for Russia (no gedcoms, much poorer records keeping, transfers of millions into different regions trough centuries, no historical traditions of regionalism, except in Russian north I would assume).

I see you are not interested in fine-scale differences and like to lump all kinds of results togheder. Why do you assume other people are like that as well?
We want to reconstruct genetic image of ethnic Germans before WW2.

First of all, I'm more conservative and religious than most people here (who are probably various shades of liberal). Secondly, this isn't something specifically anti-German. I know the German language (not perfectly) and have a deep appreciation for German culture and history. Hell, I am even the main guy who has been posting results on this thread.

And yet you don't really know or care for ancestry of samples you are posting except broadly. That's ok, but to quite a few people that's not informative enough.

You are a tribal Croat and of course we are not like the South Slavs who obsess about some Y DNA subclades or whatever. You are not German and attacking the wrong person.

I have some German ancestry and put a lot of effort into this together with roather who is ethnic German and agrees with me on this approach (it is even his idea).
Croats are much more like Germans and Italians with our strong regional uniqueness, than any of these are like Russians.

You have been criticizing our work since averages were released instead of being appreciative of great effort we put into this. None questioned nor criticised when you made Russian average, but we were thankful you did it.