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[Jana]

For example, both of these averages are from same state (NRW), but genetically they are clearly different.

Distance to: German_North_Rhine

2.68694994 French_Northeast
2.95240580 Belgian
3.22003106 German_South_Hesse
3.41274083 Flemish
3.46075136 German_Baden-Württemberg
3.53605713 Pennsylvania_Dutch
3.62082863 French_Alsace
3.66415065 Austrian_Upper_Austria
3.75864337 German_Saarland
3.76350900 German_Lower/Middle_Franconia

Distance to: German_Westphalia

0.84338603 German_Lower_Saxony_South
2.21752114 Dutch
2.31177421 Dutch_Central
2.69479127 Dutch_North
2.87456084 German_Lower_Saxony_North
3.12795460 German_Schleswig-Holstein
3.30146937 English_North
3.46209474 Icelandic
3.53141615 English_Midlands
3.57891045 English

States which are genetically uniform like Baden-Württemberg have only one average. I think we are now clear about that.

[Jana]

@Lucas please move Afrikaner and Pennsylvania Dutch averages into existing new world spreadsheet! They are secondary populations originating from several regions and bad for modeling of Dutch/Germans in Europe. Thanks!

[J. Ketch]

@Lucas please move Afrikaner and Pennsylvania Dutch averages into existing new world spreadsheet! They are secondary populations originating from several regions and bad for modeling of Dutch/Germans in Europe. Thanks!

Fair enough for PA Dutch (and French Canadian) but I'm not sure if Europeans ever get modelled as Afrikaner, due to their SSA/non-Euro element. I maybe wrong though.

[rothaer]

Based on all this there is also this weighted average for Germans in the whole German Empire per beginning of 1939 plus Danzig plus Elsaß-Lothringen:

German(German_Empire_1939),41.60,27.86,13.88,6.21, 6.55,1.24,0.84,0.17,0.34,0.41,0.33,0.32,0.27

Distance to: German(German_Empire_1939)
1.98924609 German_North_Moravia
4.14270443 German_Bavaria_Lower/Middle_Franconia
4.16343608 Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria
4.19784469 German_Saxony
4.89083837 German_Saxony-Anhalt_South
5.22594489 German_North_Bohemia
5.30115082 German_Thuringia_Central
5.41957563 German_West_Bohemia
5.76295063 German_Brandenburg_Northwest
6.04795833 German_Bavaria_proper
6.42653095 German_Bavaria_Oberpfalz
6.62675637 German_Thuringia_East
6.82934111 German_Hither_Pomerania
6.90783613 German_North_Rhine
6.97392106 Austrian_LowerAustria
6.98266425 German_Baden-Württemberg
7.23902618 German_County_Glatz
7.34216589 German_South_Hesse
7.46479069 Austrian_Burgenland
7.48039437 German_North_Hesse
7.88053932 German_Rhineland-Palatinate_East_of_Rhine
8.41215192 German_Lower_Saxony_South
8.61661186 German_Westphalia
8.76694360 Austrian_Styria
8.80835399 German_West_Mecklenburg

Out of the commonly known areas you can simplifying say that Franconia is closest to the pan German average. Simplifying, because Upper Franconia, that lacks a reference, will likely deviate somewhat from this Lower/Middle Franconian average.

[Jana]

^^^^and North Moravian Germans descend from Franconia too

[Jana]

BTW, this update was very significant, close to 60 new and verified kits with gedcomes and without foreign ancestry were added.

[rothaer]

^^^^and North Moravian Germans descend from Franconia too

This is actually true and likely part of the explanation.

[Dunai]

This new Austrian average seems to show that as previous speculations, they aren't in average that East-Central European shifted and more closer to Germans, while the old German average was surprisingly close to the new one:

Distance to: Austrian
3.12309142 Austrian(Old)
4.77140441 German_County_Glatz
4.86224228 German_Bavaria_proper
4.87351003 German_Bavarian_Swabia
5.05929837 German_Lower_Franconia
5.64447517 German_North_Bohemia
5.69019332 Austrian_Lower_Austria
6.11128464 French_Alsace
6.30177753 German_Ore_Mountains_Saxony
6.54740407 German_Central_Hesse
6.58522589 Swiss_German
6.68826584 German_Upper_Swabia
6.88986212 Austrian_Upper_Austria
7.02864140 German_North_Baden
7.21482502 German
7.65413614 German_South_Hesse
7.91537112 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
7.96273194 Swiss_French
8.28474502 German_Rhineland-Palatinate
8.30428203 German_Saxony-Anhalt_south
8.32376718 German_North_Rhine
8.40613466 German_Saxony
8.52489883 Pennsylvania_Dutch
8.64046874 Hungarian
8.82998301 Slovene

Distance to: German
1.24494980 German(Old)

[Jana]

This new Austrian average seems to show that as previous speculations, they aren't in average that East-Central European shifted and more closer to Germans, while the old German average was surprisingly close to the new one:

Distance to: Austrian
3.12309142 Austrian(Old)
4.77140441 German_County_Glatz
4.86224228 German_Bavaria_proper
4.87351003 German_Bavarian_Swabia
5.05929837 German_Lower_Franconia
5.64447517 German_North_Bohemia
5.69019332 Austrian_Lower_Austria
6.11128464 French_Alsace
6.30177753 German_Ore_Mountains_Saxony
6.54740407 German_Central_Hesse
6.58522589 Swiss_German
6.68826584 German_Upper_Swabia
6.88986212 Austrian_Upper_Austria
7.02864140 German_North_Baden
7.21482502 German
7.65413614 German_South_Hesse
7.91537112 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
7.96273194 Swiss_French
8.28474502 German_Rhineland-Palatinate
8.30428203 German_Saxony-Anhalt_south
8.32376718 German_North_Rhine
8.40613466 German_Saxony
8.52489883 Pennsylvania_Dutch
8.64046874 Hungarian
8.82998301 Slovene

Distance to: German
1.24494980 German(Old)

That's because old German average was made by Creoda who weighted it and did a good job, while old Austrian average was academic probably from Vienna.

[Jana]

What surprised me the most is that NW quadrant where purest Germanic population lives was actually smallest in percentage in total German population (without Austria). NW genetic quadrant was less than 20% of total German population.