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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Unfortunately not. I don't even remember who that was, posted it exactly a month ago. Probably saw him in someone's match list.
    he could be from Kakanj, central Bosnia, and his results would fit that area, but it's not 100% sure. I just found a man with his name from there, but there are other people carrying same name so not confirmed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakanj

    Edit: he really is probably from Kakanj area. one of his closest matches is Bosniak with gedcom that has some locations around Kakanj

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    Bosniak from Prijedor (from Facebook). He is living in Sweden.


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    Bosniaks from Travnik

    1.)
    Population
    North_Atlantic 28.51 Pct
    Baltic 31.62 Pct
    West_Med 14.24 Pct
    West_Asian 5.39 Pct
    East_Med 13.39 Pct
    Red_Sea 2.83 Pct
    South_Asian 2.63 Pct
    East_Asian -
    Siberian -
    Amerindian 0.92 Pct
    Oceanian 0.47 Pct
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan -

    2.)

    Population
    North_Atlantic 22.57 Pct
    Baltic 34.73 Pct
    West_Med 17.04 Pct
    West_Asian 5.27 Pct
    East_Med 12.79 Pct
    Red_Sea 2.16 Pct
    South_Asian 4.29 Pct
    East_Asian -
    Siberian -
    Amerindian 0.59 Pct
    Oceanian 0.52 Pct
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan -

    Banja Luka

    Population
    North_Atlantic 30.89 Pct
    Baltic 30.94 Pct
    West_Med 15.26 Pct
    West_Asian 8.65 Pct
    East_Med 9.62 Pct
    Red_Sea 3.28 Pct
    South_Asian -
    East_Asian -
    Siberian -
    Amerindian 1.3 Pct
    Oceanian 0.07 Pct
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan -

    Tuzla

    1.)

    Population
    North_Atlantic 26.36 Pct
    Baltic 36.07 Pct
    West_Med 15.09 Pct
    West_Asian 5.56 Pct
    East_Med 12.97 Pct
    Red_Sea 1.75 Pct
    South_Asian -
    East_Asian -
    Siberian 1.86 Pct
    Amerindian -
    Oceanian 0.35 Pct
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan -

    2.) Close relative

    Population
    North_Atlantic 24.57 Pct
    Baltic 35.78 Pct
    West_Med 16.28 Pct
    West_Asian 10.39 Pct
    East_Med 7.67 Pct
    Red_Sea 2.21 Pct
    South_Asian 0.86 Pct
    East_Asian 1.25 Pct
    Siberian -
    Amerindian -
    Oceanian -
    Northeast_African 0.43 Pct
    Sub-Saharan 0.55 Pct

    Sarajevo

    Population
    North_Atlantic 26 Pct
    Baltic 30.42 Pct
    West_Med 17.55 Pct
    West_Asian 9.1 Pct
    East_Med 14.07 Pct
    Red_Sea 1.65 Pct
    South_Asian -
    East_Asian -
    Siberian 0.17 Pct
    Amerindian 0.6 Pct
    Oceanian 0.44 Pct
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan -

    Prijedor

    Population
    North_Atlantic 23.21 Pct
    Baltic 38.08 Pct
    West_Med 13.37 Pct
    West_Asian 6.13 Pct
    East_Med 12.63 Pct
    Red_Sea 2.08 Pct
    South_Asian -
    East_Asian 0.93 Pct
    Siberian 0.13 Pct
    Amerindian 2.82 Pct
    Oceanian 0.61 Pct
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan -

    Ključ

    Population
    North_Atlantic 24.75 Pct
    Baltic 32.26 Pct
    West_Med 15.94 Pct
    West_Asian 11.1 Pct
    East_Med 12.29 Pct
    Red_Sea 1.4 Pct
    South_Asian -
    East_Asian 1.25 Pct
    Siberian -
    Amerindian -
    Oceanian 1.01 Pct
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan -

    Bihač

    Population
    North_Atlantic 28.73 Pct
    Baltic 33.14 Pct
    West_Med 14.08 Pct
    West_Asian 5.71 Pct
    East_Med 14.33 Pct
    Red_Sea 1.1 Pct
    South_Asian 0.49 Pct
    East_Asian 0.33 Pct
    Siberian -
    Amerindian 2 Pct
    Oceanian -
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan 0.1 Pct

    No location given, just Bosnia and Hercegovina

    Population
    North_Atlantic 24.22 Pct
    Baltic 31.81 Pct
    West_Med 16.88 Pct
    West_Asian 12.08 Pct
    East_Med 11.53 Pct
    Red_Sea 1.59 Pct
    South_Asian -
    East_Asian 0.17 Pct
    Siberian 0.64 Pct
    Amerindian 0.19 Pct
    Oceanian 0.58 Pct
    Northeast_African 0.31 Pct
    Sub-Saharan -

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    Maybe somebody like Vbn could update Bosniak average with new samples? Got a lot recently. I'd do it myself but have no older samples stored. No need for regional division imo, just update general average if possible is enough. they seem to vary regionally anyway

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    They are artificially closer to Moldovans than to countries between them due to admixture match, but in reality countries bordering Bosnia are more "Bosnian-like".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russki View Post
    They are artificially closer to Moldovans than to countries between them due to admixture match, but in reality countries bordering Bosnia are more "Bosnian-like".
    These are outdated oracles (Moldovan average included east slavs and one part gypsy, Croatian average is based on just one sample with atypical high Baltic etc). People should use updated Vahaduo K13.
    however Moldovans do have similar genetic breakdown as south Slavs indeed (slavic and southern)

    Distance to: Bosniak

    1.56163376 Croat_East
    2.56573576 Moldovan_North
    3.29699864 Croat
    4.00857830 Croat_South
    4.41583514 Ukrainian_Carpathians
    4.65542694 Lemko_Poland
    4.71554875 Hungarian_Alföld
    4.82586780 Croat_West
    5.01732997 Romanian_North-Moldavia
    5.05541294 Serb_Republika_Srpska
    5.12096671 Croat_North
    5.22025861 Moldovan_Central
    5.45078893 Moldovan
    5.72807996 Hungarian_North
    5.80510982 Hungarian
    6.41528643 Serb_Croatia
    6.49907686 Csángó-Ceangău
    6.68534965 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
    6.97853136 Romanian_Maramureș
    7.09046543 Serb_West
    7.20150679 Serb
    7.29778734 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
    7.36645098 Slovene
    7.41681873 Slovak
    7.46067021 Ukrainian_Galicia

    Distance to: Bosniak_Sandžak

    1.27074781 Serb_Montenegro
    1.34268388 Romanian_Oltenia
    2.26426589 Romanian_Wallachia
    2.29128785 Romanian_Banat
    2.29769450 Bulgarian_Southwestern
    2.43135765 Montenegrin
    2.47163913 Romanian_Muntenia
    2.59669020 Romanian_Dobruja
    2.79615808 Romanian
    2.81028468 Romanian_Transylvania
    3.20137470 Bulgarian_Northwestern
    3.33034533 Bulgarian
    3.47158465 Romanian_South-Moldavia
    3.78806019 Moldovan_South
    4.03093041 North_Macedonian_North
    4.06910310 Bulgarian_Northcentral
    4.13064160 Romanian_Crișana
    4.15563473 Bulgarian_Southcentral
    4.47106251 North_Macedonian_East
    4.55711532 Serb_Herzegovina
    4.70316914 Serb_South
    4.79548746 Bulgarian_Northeastern
    5.22211643 Serb_Vojvodina
    5.41302134 Pomak_Bulgaria
    5.99570680 North_Macedonian_Central

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    Indigenous Bosniaks are very close to southern and eastern Croats. Sarajevo seems to be the most Serb like, evident from the above sample but also some of the old academic samples. Perhaps this is due to receiving Muslim migrants from Serbia/Montenegro after independence and more recent sandzak migrants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayetooey View Post
    Indigenous Bosniaks are very close to southern and eastern Croats. Sarajevo seems to be the most Serb like, evident from the above sample but also some of the old academic samples. Perhaps this is due to receiving Muslim migrants from Serbia/Montenegro after independence and more recent sandzak migrants.
    Southern and eastern Croatians are not close to each other. Southern Croatians are quite closet to Bosnian Serbs than to eastern Croatians.

    Large part of "Bosniaks" are not native in Bosnia, but descendants of Muslim refugees from surrounding regions from late 17th to 19th century. In 19th century tons of Muslims from Serbia moved to Bosnia and mostly settled in eastern and northeastern Bosnia. That people had nothing to do with Sandžakians (islamized Montenegrin-Albanian hybrids). They were Muslim Serbs from western and central Serbia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    Southern and eastern Croatians are not close to each other. Southern Croatians are quite closet to Bosnian Serbs than to eastern Croatians.

    Large part of "Bosniaks" are not native in Bosnia, but descendants of Muslim refugees from surrounding regions from late 17th to 19th century. In 19th century tons of Muslims from Serbia moved to Bosnia and mostly settled in eastern and northeastern Bosnia. That people had nothing to do with Sandžakians (islamized Montenegrin-Albanian hybrids). They were Muslim Serbs from western and central Serbia.
    Yeah I’m aware there was local Serbs who were islamised and not Sandzakians, that’s why I mentioned the two separately. Indigenous Bosniaks from rural regions seem to range from southern Croat like to eastern Croat like is my observation, not that southern/eastern Croats are the same. it’s Sarajevo Bosniaks who seem to be more similar to Bosnian Serbs, probably because many of them are like Bosniensis and have roots outside Bosnia. For indigenous rural Bosniaks it isn’t uncommon for them to hit Baltic in the mid to high 30s, something which isn’t common in any serb group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    Southern and eastern Croatians are not close to each other. Southern Croatians are quite closet to Bosnian Serbs than to eastern Croatians.
    No. southern and eastern Croats are very similar genetically, we just lacked proper east Croat average. Soon it will be fixed.

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