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[Peterski]

what are the North Atlantic and Baltic ranges for Saxony and Thuringia? I guess something like Baltic 30-40, NA 33-43?

What is the chance that the Beeskow sample happens to be the most Slavic-shifted person in the area?

It is a randomly found sample, so by random probability she is most likely around the middle of distribution in her region.

There is 68.26% chance that she is average for her region (either slightly more or slightly less eastern):

[rothaer]

People from this whole region (especially from the eastern half of it, between Storkow-Beskow) will all have similar results:

https://www.sorabicon.de/kulturlexik...v_ib2_m3d_r3b/

Yes, maybe.

But before stating that this is the case one should check it or at least make visible that one is just stating an educated guess.

And the more you are emphasising with your Carloforte example the possibility of a just personal variation, the less you can conclude out of a single sample like the Beeskow woman. Let alone that the woman with known only ethnic German ancestry the last 200 years far back will fully descend from Sorbs. This is not impossible, but it violates every scientific approach to completely remove this question from discussion by labeling her a Sorb by own judgement (just beacuse the genetic result seems "perfect"). This is even more weird when you seemingly know that actual Sorbs score more "western"!

So ignoring actual Sorbs, because they score "too western" for your taste and instead declare an ethnic German with a "perfect" fitting result the only Sorb reference is a completely unacceptable acting. I can still not believe that this is not selfexplanatory. What's next, taking a Serb and label him Sorb if he delivers a perfect result for how White Serbs = Old Sorbs are assumed to have scored?

[Peterski]

But the more you are emphasising with your Carloforte example the possibility of a just personal variation

But there is 95% chance that a random sample is within 2 Standard Deviations from the mean, and 68% chance that within 1 SD.

So the chance that this particular sample is very different than the average memeber of the local population, is statistically low.

[Peterski]

you seemingly know that actual Sorbs score more "western"!

These other samples are Upper Sorbs, all from Kamenz, also a very specific regional group:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamenz

First of all Lower Sorbs are not Upper Sorbs, secondly Upper Sorbs from Kamenz are not all Upper Sorbs.

This K13 "Sorb" average should actually be renamed "Upper_Sorb_Kamenz" to be accurate.

[rothaer]

What is the chance that the Beeskow sample happens to be the most Slavic-shifted person in the area?

It is a randomly found sample, so by random probability she is most likely around the middle of distribution in her region.

There is 68.26% chance that she is average for her region (either slightly more or slightly less eastern):

I agree to that as a general approach.

But as she scores already abt. the maximum "Slavic-like" genetics among Slavs she will likely not be inmidst of the population spread. Just as a thought for estimation. Till we have have more data, it remains an open question.

[Peterski]

I agree to that as a general approach.

But as she scores already abt. the maximum "Slavic-like" genetics among Slavs she will likely not be inmidst of the population spread.

She does not score maximum among Slavs, she plots roughly in the middle of the Polish cluster in G25 North Europe PCA.

[Peterski]

Upper Sorbs from Kamenz (I wonder how many of them actually can speak Sorbian - Kamenz is on the edge of Sorbian language area, right?):

Sorb_Kamenz1,34.50,37.83,10.59,5.76,7.71,0.76,0,0,0,1.84,0.71,0,0.30
Sorb_Kamenz2,32.96,42.32,6.81,6.32,10.17,0,0.89,0,0.20,0.10,0.10,0.14,0
Sorb_Kamenz3,27.46,44.32,10.26,7.99,7.29,0,0,1.90,0,0.78,0,0,0
Sorb_Kamenz4,37.93,38.42,8.88,4.70,7.70,0,1.66,0,0.70,0,0,0,0
Sorb_Kamenz5,36.81,38.05,12.64,4.25,4.79,0.11,1.33,2.02,0,0,0,0,0
Sorb_Kamenz6,36.41,40.67,9.43,2.85,5.49,1.35,1.53,0,0.59,1.26,0.08,0.35,0
Sorb_Kamenz7,31.72,45.36,8.38,4.21,5.41,0.73,3.44,0,0,0.52,0,0.23,0
Sorb_Kamenz8,34.78,37.56,11.09,2.30,7.51,2.69,2.16,0,0.68,0.80,0,0,0.43
Sorb_Kamenz9,32.57,44.09,12.97,5.29,3.24,0,0.49,0,0.42,0.47,0,0.28,0.18

New Sorb_Kamenz (or it can also be called Upper_Sorb_Kamenz) average:

Sorb_Kamenz,33.90,40.96,10.12,4.85,6.59,0.63,1.28,0.44,0.29,0.64,0.10,0.11,0.10

The current "Sorb" average is a bit different because it includes 9 Kamenz samples + 1 Beeskow sample.

[Jana]

what are the North Atlantic and Baltic ranges for Saxony and Thuringia? I guess something like Baltic 30-40, NA 33-43?

For Thuringia NA and Baltic ranges looks same, 10 each (33-44 NA, 27-37 Baltic)
not sure for Saxony, I have samples by locality names so not sure which are all Saxony. Rothaer could answer

[Peterski]

Rothaer,

How many people speak Sorbian in Kamenz and surroundings?

It seems that it might be a Germanized area just like Beeskow.

[Jana]

Sorb_Kamenz,33.90,40.96,10.12,4.85,6.59,0.63,1.28,0.44,0.29,0.64,0.10,0.11,0.10

The current "Sorb" average is a bit different because it includes 9 Kamenz samples + 1 Beeskow sample.

Beeskow sample is German, your hundred times repeated manipulation won't become truth. I want this post of yours to stand so other people will know you are using fake samples which don't even belong that ethnic group.

Shameful liar.