Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

[Peterski]

Beeskow sample is German

I emailed the guy and he responded that the sample is "Sorb, but from area where Sorbian culture was suppressed".

[Jana]

I emailed the guy and he responded that the sample is "Sorb, but from area where Sorbian culture was suppressed".

No, he didn't, he said only after you convinced him his mother is a Sorb. They had zero knowledge about Sorbs or oppressed Sorbian culture before you contacted them.

[Peterski]

No, he didn't, he said only after you convinced him his mother is a Sorb.

I wasn't convincing him to do or say anything, I just waited for his response. Go kiss your beloved Adolf Hitler's ass, Ustasholina.

[rothaer]

She does not score maximum among Slavs, she plots roughly in the middle of the Polish cluster in G25 North Europe PCA.

Okay.

[Jana]

I wasn't convincing him to do or say anything, I just waited for his response. Go kiss your beloved Adolf Hitler's ass, Ustasholina.

You are just madly jealous ethnic German is more genetically Slavic than you, so you try to make them present day Sorbs to more easily deal with your lack of Slavic DNA for a full ethnic Pole.

[Leto]

My favorite Germans are the least Slav-blooded actually. That's why I enjoy Volga German results for example. Politically Eastern Germans are much better though.

[Leto]

Carloforte in K13:

Carloforte1,32.40,11.21,26.71,7.13,16.52,3.32,0.02,0.58,1.37,0,0,0.74,0
Carloforte10,29.58,8.13,25.17,10,22.66,1.64,0,0,0.65,0,0.45,1.72,0
Carloforte11,29.17,11.05,24.66,8.89,20.40,3.65,0,1.04,0.33,0,0,0,0.79
Carloforte12,34.11,5.54,31.73,7.14,17.92,3.33,0,0,0.23,0,0,0,0
Carloforte13,27.86,12.67,24.16,6.07,23.87,3.97,0,0,0.34,0.24,0.57,0,0.26
Carloforte14,26.40,9.18,34.21,3.27,22.22,3.95,0,0.67,0,0,0.10,0,0
Carloforte15,30.04,9.17,26.07,12.17,19.33,0.45,1.48,0,1.29,0,0,0,0
Carloforte16,31.74,6.29,25.52,7.60,24.75,2.82,0.48,0.21,0.42,0.17,0,0,0
Carloforte17,27.62,9.60,28.36,10.03,20.72,3.13,0,0,0.08,0.44,0.02,0,0
Carloforte18,29.91,5.33,31.81,6.74,20.03,3.86,0,0,2.00,0.17,0,0,0.15
Carloforte19,29.96,5.89,30.42,8.64,17.99,3.90,0,0,1.39,1.12,0,0.40,0.30
Carloforte2,28.54,6.71,29.76,6.00,23.34,3.00,0.38,0,0,1.42,0,0,0.86
Carloforte20,27.47,14.74,23.21,7.97,18.24,5.02,2.17,0,0,0,1.00,0.19,0
Carloforte21,25.82,11.77,27.98,7.12,21.69,3.51,0.28,0,0.44,0.02,1.02,0,0.34
Carloforte22,28.20,10.80,29.97,7.19,18.33,3.45,0.97,1.09,0,0,0,0,0
Carloforte23,31.80,10.55,28.25,7.87,17.12,1.69,1.03,0.26,0,0,0.94,0,0.49
Carloforte24,28.45,4.03,32.59,7.80,22.90,2.75,0,0,0,0,1.47,0,0
Carloforte25,27.17,10.05,26.95,7.58,21.86,3.90,1.14,0,0,0,0,1.36,0
Carloforte3,29.62,8.20,29.44,10.27,18.91,2.32,0.56,0,0.12,0,0,0,0.55
Carloforte4,36.26,8.15,21.86,15.26,15.39,3.07,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Carloforte5,29.89,14.46,23.19,6.30,20.28,3.64,0.67,0.11,0,0.24,0.40,0,0.81
Carloforte6,24.38,15.23,28.05,8.17,19.04,2.70,0,0,0.63,0.99,0.30,0.50,0
Carloforte7,24.93,10.25,34.71,7.32,19.80,1.03,0,0.63,0,0.61,0.57,0,0.15
Carloforte8,27.38,6.97,29.31,13.55,19.03,2.59,0,0.90,0,0.25,0,0.02,0
Carloforte9,32.25,7.67,25.71,8.55,21.85,3.26,0.01,0,0,0,0.69,0,0

Ranges for components:

North Atlantic - 24.38 to 36.26

Baltic - 4.03 to 15.23

West Med - 21.86 to 34.71

West Asian - 3.27 to 15.26

East Med - 15.39 to 24.75

Red Sea - 0.45 to 5.02

Etc.

Oh my fucking gosh, that's a hell of a lot of variation for such a tiny place!

[rothaer]

double.

[rothaer]

But there is 95% chance that a random sample is within 2 Standard Deviations from the mean, and 68% chance that within 1 SD.

So the chance that this particular sample is very different than the average memeber of the local population, is statistically low.

Yes.

[rothaer]

Upper Sorbs from Kamenz (I wonder how many of them actually can speak Sorbian - Kamenz is on the edge of Sorbian language area, right?):

Sorb_Kamenz1,34.50,37.83,10.59,5.76,7.71,0.76,0,0,0,1.84,0.71,0,0.30
Sorb_Kamenz2,32.96,42.32,6.81,6.32,10.17,0,0.89,0,0.20,0.10,0.10,0.14,0
Sorb_Kamenz3,27.46,44.32,10.26,7.99,7.29,0,0,1.90,0,0.78,0,0,0
Sorb_Kamenz4,37.93,38.42,8.88,4.70,7.70,0,1.66,0,0.70,0,0,0,0
Sorb_Kamenz5,36.81,38.05,12.64,4.25,4.79,0.11,1.33,2.02,0,0,0,0,0
Sorb_Kamenz6,36.41,40.67,9.43,2.85,5.49,1.35,1.53,0,0.59,1.26,0.08,0.35,0
Sorb_Kamenz7,31.72,45.36,8.38,4.21,5.41,0.73,3.44,0,0,0.52,0,0.23,0
Sorb_Kamenz8,34.78,37.56,11.09,2.30,7.51,2.69,2.16,0,0.68,0.80,0,0,0.43
Sorb_Kamenz9,32.57,44.09,12.97,5.29,3.24,0,0.49,0,0.42,0.47,0,0.28,0.18

New Sorb_Kamenz (or it can also be called Upper_Sorb_Kamenz) average:

Sorb_Kamenz,33.90,40.96,10.12,4.85,6.59,0.63,1.28,0.44,0.29,0.64,0.10,0.11,0.10

The current "Sorb" average is a bit different because it includes 9 Kamenz samples + 1 Beeskow sample.

I fully agree with that more thorough labeling of the academic Sorbs from Kamenz. Then we don't state anything that we don't know. Well, there are Sorbs in Kamenz area and it's a fringe area, but I'm not sure how this can bother you while it doesn't bother you that the Beeskow woman is not just an ethnic German but even outside the today Sorb area, see pic:



Maybe the Kamenz Sorbs are not representative for whatever Sorbs. I don't know. But if all people involved, Germans as well as Sorbs, do regard these people ethnic Sorbs, don't you find it alienating if there is coming a Pole from Wielkopolska and saying we can not use these individuals as references for Sorbs, because their genetic results seem "too western" for my imagination?

However, there will gladly be added:

Sorb_Saxony_Kamenz(9),33.90,40.96,10.12,4.85,6.59, 0.63,1.28,0.44,0.29,0.64,0.10,0.11,0.10

Who ist interested can elaborate where Kamenz is and that it's Upper Sorb, but as you see on the map



there are also intermediate dialects, so it looks somewhat like a dialect continuum for me. So at the moment I'd not make a big deal of Upper or Lower Sorb (how to deal with these in between?), but if there will be genetic differences visible among Sorbs, it can be refined at any time.