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[Jana]

Here are my two cents. Leaving obvious non-whites aside (and that includes Turkey for the most part), I'd say the Germans of 2050 will be even more Eastern (even Southeastern perhaps) than a hundred years before. Europeans in Germany usually do not cause problems and adopt the German language in the second generation. Their grandkids will likely identify as German. 2.5 million Aussiedler won't disappear without a trace, that is just one example. Add to that the "Ostblock", Yugoslavian, ex-USSR, Greek, Italian folks.

Rothaer does not accept other Europeans as ethnic Germans nor mixes with them. Why would he? Germany isn't rootless white America. Germany is for Germans (and for autochtonous minorities like Sorbs). Other whites in Germany are not Germans. I fully support his views.

And political climate can and could change. Just because millions of foreigners flooded Germany doesn't mean German nationalists are obliged to accept them just because they aren't brown.

[Peterski]

I'd say the Germans of 2050 will be even more Eastern (even Southeastern perhaps) than a hundred years before.

I think the German mean (all Germans averaged) has been constantly shifting in South-Eastern direction since 260 AD all the way until 2022 AD. But, between 260 AD and ca. 850 AD it was shifting only in the southern direction, while after that it was shifting both in eastern and southern.

As of 260 AD basically all existing at that time Germans were Nordic-like*, similar to modern Northwestern Germans.

Southern Germans emerged later, and Eastern Germans even much later.

*Unless they had already assimilated some Celts by then, but those Celts themselves were probably rather northern.

[Dušan]

I just noticed that even I as Balkan Slav, am slightly closer to general German average (23.218) than Beeskow sample (23.579)

I respect all your opinions, but that Beeskow sample is obvously of Slavic (Sorb) origin.
May be that community forgot their language, traditions and identity in last few centuries, but genetics do not lie.

Thats it about this topic about Beeskow sample from my side.
Cheers!

[Peterski]

I just noticed that even I as Balkan Slav, am slightly closer to general German average (23.218) than Beeskow sample (23.579)

That's because South Germany is the most populous part of Germany, and they have South European admixtures, just like Serbs.

[Leto]

Rothaer does not accept other Europeans as ethnic Germans nor mixes with them. Why would he? Germany isn't rootless white America. Germany is for Germans (and for autochtonous minorities like Sorbs). Other whites in Germany are not Germans. I fully support his views.

And political climate can and could change. Just because millions of foreigners flooded Germany doesn't mean German nationalists are obliged to accept them just because they aren't brown.

You tend to answer a lot for him I've read many German blogs and discussions and most AfD supporters seem to have nothing against other Europeans in Germany. National socialists and similar "altrechte" groups are below 1% (see election results), they are basically irrelevant.

[Jana]

You tend to answer a lot for him I've read many German blogs and discussions and most AfD supporters seem to have nothing against other Europeans in Germany. National socialists and similar "altrechte" groups are below 1% (see election results), they are basically irrelevant.

This has nothing to do with National Socialism lol. And you have no idea about real opinion of right groups, ofc they present themselves as far more moderate in public.
Nobody said other Europeans are undesireable in Germany, but they are not Germans and German nationalists don't recognize them as such.

German ethnicity is based on blood and was never inclusive, it isn't cucked France with their civic nationalism.

I've come back from Germany recently as my friend lives there (white, educated) and knows average German far better than anthrotards do. They are far less accepting than you think.
Yes, they won't bother you, but they won't see you and your descendants as one of them, even if you live there for generations.

What antifa and left thinks, none cares.

[Jana]

And yeah, I'm irritated by your idea that mongrelization of European ethnics is somehow ok. It isn't. I don't want that for my country either.
France is great example of failed civic nationalism. God forbid other European country becomes like that.

[Leto]

I probably didn't say half of what you just assumed about me. I guess you are just in a bad mood because the other day a half Bangladeshi kid is considered a Croat.

I don't plan on continuing this conversation.

[Jana]

I probably didn't say half of what you just assumed about me. I guess you are just in a bad mood because the other day a half Bangladeshi kid is considered a Croat.

I don't plan on continuing this conversation.

You started it, now bite it. Croats are historically far more inclusive than Germans are as far as ethnicity is concerned (because Slavs unlike Gemanics are more accepting), but that does not strech to half Bangladeshis.
You irritate me.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Carloforte in K13:

Carloforte1,32.40,11.21,26.71,7.13,16.52,3.32,0.02,0.58,1.37,0,0,0.74,0
Carloforte10,29.58,8.13,25.17,10,22.66,1.64,0,0,0.65,0,0.45,1.72,0
Carloforte11,29.17,11.05,24.66,8.89,20.40,3.65,0,1.04,0.33,0,0,0,0.79
Carloforte12,34.11,5.54,31.73,7.14,17.92,3.33,0,0,0.23,0,0,0,0
Carloforte13,27.86,12.67,24.16,6.07,23.87,3.97,0,0,0.34,0.24,0.57,0,0.26
Carloforte14,26.40,9.18,34.21,3.27,22.22,3.95,0,0.67,0,0,0.10,0,0
Carloforte15,30.04,9.17,26.07,12.17,19.33,0.45,1.48,0,1.29,0,0,0,0
Carloforte16,31.74,6.29,25.52,7.60,24.75,2.82,0.48,0.21,0.42,0.17,0,0,0
Carloforte17,27.62,9.60,28.36,10.03,20.72,3.13,0,0,0.08,0.44,0.02,0,0
Carloforte18,29.91,5.33,31.81,6.74,20.03,3.86,0,0,2.00,0.17,0,0,0.15
Carloforte19,29.96,5.89,30.42,8.64,17.99,3.90,0,0,1.39,1.12,0,0.40,0.30
Carloforte2,28.54,6.71,29.76,6.00,23.34,3.00,0.38,0,0,1.42,0,0,0.86
Carloforte20,27.47,14.74,23.21,7.97,18.24,5.02,2.17,0,0,0,1.00,0.19,0
Carloforte21,25.82,11.77,27.98,7.12,21.69,3.51,0.28,0,0.44,0.02,1.02,0,0.34
Carloforte22,28.20,10.80,29.97,7.19,18.33,3.45,0.97,1.09,0,0,0,0,0
Carloforte23,31.80,10.55,28.25,7.87,17.12,1.69,1.03,0.26,0,0,0.94,0,0.49
Carloforte24,28.45,4.03,32.59,7.80,22.90,2.75,0,0,0,0,1.47,0,0
Carloforte25,27.17,10.05,26.95,7.58,21.86,3.90,1.14,0,0,0,0,1.36,0
Carloforte3,29.62,8.20,29.44,10.27,18.91,2.32,0.56,0,0.12,0,0,0,0.55
Carloforte4,36.26,8.15,21.86,15.26,15.39,3.07,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Carloforte5,29.89,14.46,23.19,6.30,20.28,3.64,0.67,0.11,0,0.24,0.40,0,0.81
Carloforte6,24.38,15.23,28.05,8.17,19.04,2.70,0,0,0.63,0.99,0.30,0.50,0
Carloforte7,24.93,10.25,34.71,7.32,19.80,1.03,0,0.63,0,0.61,0.57,0,0.15
Carloforte8,27.38,6.97,29.31,13.55,19.03,2.59,0,0.90,0,0.25,0,0.02,0
Carloforte9,32.25,7.67,25.71,8.55,21.85,3.26,0.01,0,0,0,0.69,0,0

Ranges for components:

North Atlantic - 24.38 to 36.26

Baltic - 4.03 to 15.23

West Med - 21.86 to 34.71

West Asian - 3.27 to 15.26

East Med - 15.39 to 24.75

Red Sea - 0.45 to 5.02

Etc.

Cool! They speak Tabarchino Ligurian in that town. This dialect was also spoken in Spain on the island of Nueva Tabarca about twenty kilometers from Alicante and originally in Tabarca, in present-day Tunisia, from which it takes its name.

Eurogenes K13 average

Carloforte,29.238,9.3456,27.992,8.3452,20.1676,3.038,0.3676,0.2196,0.3716,0.2268,0.3012,0.1972,0.188

They have some local Sardinian ancestry, and their Ligurian side is proxied by Italian_Emilia.

Target: Carloforte
Distance: 2.1655% / 2.16545026 | R2P
86.1	Italian_Emilia
13.9	Sardinian

Dude, could you please also give the Eurogenes K13 values of Lessinia Cimbrians, Sappada, Sauris and Timau?